[ale] Another Reason to use OSS in Government

[Cougar]

Hmmmm.... where am I? I thought I was at the Lunix group. LOL


On Saturday 07 December 2002 16:45, Benjamin Scherrey wrote:
> I'll break it down for Geoffrey in more simple terms...
>
> 1st email:
>
> 12/7/2002 8:22:24 AM, Geoffrey <esoteric at 3times25.net> wrote:
> >90% ?  So where do you get your data?  Or is that just an ignorant
> >statement?
> >
> >Benjamin Scherrey wrote:
> >> While I agree that that may be the assertion - I will also argue with
> >> you regarding its validity. There is  a saying that we should not
> >> attribute to maliciousness that which we can account for as ignorance.
> >> I'd say that this applies to about 90% of government actions/positions
> >> by its employees. The only question now remains how much to attribute to
> >> ignorance...
>
> Do you even read the postings that you reply to? Its pretty clear that my
> message is that I disagree with 90% of what government (and its employees)
> do and that I wonder which part of their actions is purely malicious versus
> just plain ignorant. That is obviously an opinion so I guess the source of
> my data would be myself. Your's, evidently, is the ignorant statement.
> Should I presume that you agree with 90% (or more) of what government does?
>
> 2nd email:
>
> Benjamin Scherrey wrote:
> >> I'm not making such an assertion but I will say that one's morals often
> >> dictate who they chose as an employer. Ever been audited?
> >
> >Sure, which auditors are you referring to?
>
> IRS of course but I'm open to considering any other examples you have to
> offer...
>
> >Again you come with these unsubstantiated statements.  Other than being
> >your opinion, there's not much else.  In that case, I can easily say you
> >are wrong.
>
> Indeed - again my opinion based on first-hand experience but also well
> documented in the Congressional Record, newspapers, magazines, you name it.
> While you can easily say I am wrong you evidently chose to ignore such
> evidence or believe that government employees simply shouldn't be
> accountable for violating the law or human rights. Says more about you than
> it does about my opinions.
>
> 3rd email:
>
> Benjamin Scherrey wrote:
> >> The mob has been displaced by government. Only the mob was much more
> >> honest about its intentions.
> >
> >You need help. really.
>
> Please point out the flaw in the following comparison:
> The initial impetus for the "mob" was protection from others through use of
> force. Once that outside threat was pretty much quelled the "mob"
> determined that it still wanted the protection money so it became the
> threat to be protected against. Since it became the law - it expanded into
> other businesses like prostitution and gambling and enforced a
> mob-controlled monopoly on such enterprises in order to ensure its own
> profitability and power base. The more enterprises it controlled, the
> bigger and more powerful it became until it had nearly abandoned and failed
> its original purpose because that no longer generated the profits it once
> had.
>
> Governments were initially formed by groups of people banding together in
> order to protect life and property against the use of outside hostile
> groups through the use of force. Once these main threats were quelled it
> started looking inward for more dangers that needed quelling or became
> hostile to other groups not under its own protection in order to expand its
> power base. Due to its ability to exact tribute from those it "protected"
> through threat and use of force, it found that it could enact further laws
> and impose its will on other, more profitable enterprises and establish
> monopoly control over these new revenue sources by making them illegal for
> others to participate in. The more enterprises it controlled, the bigger
> and more powerful it became until it had nearly abandoned and failed its
> original purpose because that no longer generated the profits it once had.
>
> What is the primary difference between these two entities? Well,
> governments tell you that its for your own good, it will help the children,
> and you aren't capable of doing this yourself. The mob doesn't bother with
> such platitudes. Oh and, nearly forgot, government murders more innocent
> people each year than the mob has in its entire existence. So I guess there
> is a difference after all!
>
> 	Ben Scherrey
>
> ..who believes in government that sticks to its Constitutionally enumerated
> responsibilities and leaves the rest to us.
>
>
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