[ale] Sun,Linux,Java, oh my

[Bao C. Ha]

On Sun, Aug 11, 2002 at 02:00:22PM -0400, Benjamin Scherrey wrote:

Hi Ben,

IMHO, the first thing needs to be fixed for Java and Linux to
work well together is Linuxthreads.  The next thing would be
Linux VM.  Then, we may have a fighting chance to run Java
reasonably on a Linux system.

Thanks.
Bao

> 	Java's slowness has nothing to do with being in the user space vs. kernel. Its a byte 
> code interpreted virtual machine. Now there have been and are currently (to some respect) 
> compilers that take Java source (or bytecode) and turn it into C or actual binary executables but 
> they don't seem to be able to keep up with the "standard" or fully support significant features of the 
> language specification. The gcc project, for example, has a basic java compiler but doesn't support 
> the gui stuff. 
> 
> 	FWIW - Linux has the ability to associate java programs with the jvm and run as if they 
> were normal executables but you're not going to get away from having to have that virtual machine 
> in there somewhere under linux. I was an early adopter of java but they made some really bad 
> decisions early on and have grown the thing too big and too fast without letting it stabilize and 
> mature natually. For java to last it's going to have to take a few steps back first or else it will 
> eventually go the way of PowerBuilder. Until then there are other options waiting in the wings to 
> take over...
> 
> 	best regards,
> 	
> 		Ben Scherrey
> 
> 8/11/2002 1:45:04 PM, Cade Thacker <linux at cade.org> wrote:
> 
> >So I was just reading a post on slashdot about Sun maybe releasing their
> >own brand of Linux, and I got to thinking, would there be anyway to write
> >a kernel mod that would directly support Java code. Basically to fuse
> >Java(JVM) into the core of Linux to make it REALLY fast, more server side
> >apps than client apps.  Or just a way in general to really tie the two
> >together and make it fly? Any thoughts? Or maybe even rewrite the Kernel
> >so that it nativly supported Java class files, or maybe kinda like an
> >applicance type thing.
> >
> >Just some thoughts...what do you guys/gals think...
> >
> >PS I will send a shinny new penny to anybody who can tell me(with out
> >cheating), what Sun stands for.
> >
> >--cade
> >
> >On Linux vs Windows
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