[ale] OT: Unix Cert at KSU?

[Greg]

Yes, as a programmer first and a network person second I would agree that to
understand the program, know the code, to know the code, understand how it
actually works down to a hardware level.  However, there is only so many
hours in a day to learn all of the stuff to know it all - and so I have
already started.  Not that for one second I think I will, as the more I
learn the more I recognize I am ignorant of in the whole scheme of things.

Greg

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christopher Fowler [mailto:cfowler at outpostsentinel.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 6:58 PM
> To: Greg
> Cc: ale at ale.org
> Subject: RE: [ale] OT: Unix Cert at KSU?
>
>
> My belief is that the future of system administration is RTFS and not
> RTFM
>
>
> >
> > RE: [ale] OT: Unix Cert at KSU?Yes, I have acquired my CUA from the
> KSU
> > program.  The classes varied in actual worthwhile-ness.  Some of the
> classes
> > were great (and very "real world") and some were taught to the
> lowest level,
> > which I think was too low.  Perhaps some discipline on prerequisites
> would
> > overcome that.  Also I think the "I will take a class (es),
> instantly, know
> > IT and get a job paying $95,000 / year since there are so many IT
> jobs out
> > there." mentality still exists, unfortunately.  Some students are
> obviously
> > not technically inclined and seemed to not to want to "pay their
> dues" to
> > learn.  Others were the opposite.  I told many that old PC's could
> be had
> > for less than $50 (or even less, i.e. $10) and Linux was free and
> that they
> > really really really need to actually USE the stuff to learn it,
> but I
> > don't think many carried through with actually having any contact
> with it
> > other than the classes.
> >
> > I don't think many understood the duties and responsibilities of a
> sysadmin
> > in a company either.  In many cases an inept sysadmin could really
> hurt in a
> > major manner a firm's business.  There is a reason some folks get
> paid the
> > big bucks and it often has to do with having a lot of knowledge,
> experience,
> > and responsibility for a network/system that has a lot of value.
> Speaking
> > of skills, coding in a language - i.e. C and serious shell scripting
> as well
> > as often Perl are skills that I find in Unix sysadmins that is
> missing in
> > any form from their MS counterparts.  And yes, many MCSE's can't
> even use
> > the MS Scripting Host crapola.
> >
> > Dunno about it being worthwhile.  My last company paid for 3-4 of
> the
> > classes, so I just antied up the rest.  I hate leaving things half
> done.  If
> > you meet someone for a possible job who considers certifications
> worthwhile,
> > then yes, it is worth it.  Otherwise you could learn it on your own,
> minus
> > the real world experience of the instructors, many of whom where
> certifiable
> > gurus in their fields and passed on invaluable knowledge.
> >
> > As usual , ymmv rules.  If you have any other questions or find this
> is
> > somewhat on the lean side of an answer, I would be happy to answer
> them /
> > expound up my answer.
> >
> > Greg
> >   -----Original Message-----
> >   From: Stanaland, Brian [mailto:BStanaland at PanAmSat.com]
> >   Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 9:13 AM
> >   To: ale at ale.org
> >   Subject: RE: [ale] OT: Unix Cert at KSU?
> >
> >
> >   I am waiting for a reply from the program director.  I'll post any
> info I
> > get from him to the list.
> >
> >
> >
> >   ````````````````````````````````````````````
> >
> >   As part of the new MSACS at Kennesaw, you acquire the Unix
> certification
> >   offered by KSU's coned department.  Anyone completed this
> certification?
> >   Was it worth it?  Too simple?  Too hard?
> >
> >   Since I have to take it for the program, I'm kinda interested in
> whether
> >   I'll get anything out of it or if it will simply be a "here's how
> to list
> >   processes", etc. beginner's course.  Not that I have a choice, but
> I'd
> >   like to know what to expect...
> >
> >   Thanks!
> >
> >   John
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>


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