[ale] XP and Samba

[jeff hubbs]

No.  NetBios and NetBEUI are two different things.  They're in two 
different levels of the TCP/IP stack.  I think NetBios is Application 
Layer whereas NetBEUI is lower down (Network?)  NetBEUI is roughly 
analogous to TCP/IP, IPX/SPX, DECNET, or AppleTalk, and all four and 
many others can share the same Ethernet network.

   Samba most certainly does use TCP/IP (I forget the port numbers off 
the top of my head), and NetBIOS is one of the mechanisms used over 
TCP/IP (Server Message Block - SMB - is another) for Samba to do its 
business.

Windows NT was capable of using either TCP/IP, NetBEUI, or IPX/SPX to 
establish a functional network in the Microsoft style.  There is 
generally no need to use any two of those at once, although mixed 
NT/Novell environments that also included Internet connectivity and/or 
connectivity to UNIX, VMS, etc. could make use of both IPX/SPX and 
TCP/IP, although when you were setting up your NT stuff you'd try to 
only bind the necessary services to the respective protocols (IIRC, 
you'd bind NetBIOS to just TCP/IP).

Arguably, TCP/IP is one of the clunkier arrangements because you need 
separate name resolution and IP address assignment (manual or via 
DHCP/BOOTP) mechanisms to make it usable, but it persists because it's 
flexible and it works pretty darn well.  There's that pesky host address 
space limitation, though...

IIRC, things changed for the better once Novell made it so that you 
could have an all-TCP/IP Novell network.

To clarify what I said earlier, NetBEUI is such that routers cannot 
selectively pass or block it by source/destination; it's either all-pass 
or all-block.  This is why, even if you have as little as one router, 
you don't want to rely on NetBEUI for anything because you have no 
choice but to have your routers pass it blindly.  You can slog your 
whole LAN or WAN up that way - best to just not use it.

The hard part is convincing all-MS people to set up a decent DNS because 
when all you know is Windows stuff, all you want to do is WINS and be 
done with it.  People with a wider experience base realize that MS tried 
to basically make an alternate DNS arrangment that only serviced MS OSses.

- Jeff

Vaidhy Mayilrangam wrote:

> yes.. but MS windows and Samba do not use tcp/ip.. they use netbios/netbeui
> to share resources ..
> 
> Vaidhy
> 
> On Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 09:22:13PM -0500, jeff hubbs wrote:
> 
>>But why should you have to enable a separate protocol from TCP/IP for 
>>that to work?  NetBEUI really isn't supposed to be used in anything more 
>>than a one-office arrangement and, in this day and age when Internet 
>>access is pretty much ubiquitous and therefore a TCP/IP requirement 
>>exists, there's really no need for NetBEUI anymore at all (for one 
>>thing, it's not a routable protocol).
>>
>>Vaidhy Mayilrangam wrote:
>>
>>
>>>yes they can.. but the catch is that netbeui (sp??) is not installed by
>>>default.. Install netbeui (It is under protocols) and then click on
>>>network neighbourhood, entire netword , MS network and you will find it..
>>>
>>>Sometimes, you have to search for the computer name.. 
>>>
>>>Vaidhy
>>>
>>>On Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 08:55:03PM -0500, Chris Fowler wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Help,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Did the SMB protocol get modified so that my Samba server can not
>>>>communicate with XP Prof. clients.  It even seems that 98 and XP clients 
>>>>can
>>>>not communicate to each other.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>Chris
>>>>
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