[ale] Re: ASE 11.9.2 Pricing

Wed Apr 28 17:03:08 EDT 1999

Which platform would you like to run this on?
----- Original Message -----
 From: Roeland Arnold <roeland.arnold at cmg.nl>
To: Matthew Brown <matthew.brown at cordata.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 3:51 PM
Subject: RE: ASE 11.9.2 Pricing


>Yes please,
>
>I'd like the unlimited number of mice version,
>
>Roeland.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Matthew Brown [mailto:matthew.brown at cordata.net]
>Sent: woensdag 28 april 1999 20:29
>To: ase-linux-list at isug.com
>Subject: Re: ASE 11.9.2 Pricing
>
>
>It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong, and I am _not_ a big man.
>HehHeh
>
>Yes, I recall that you are, in fact, correct.  Microsoft can really stick
it
>to you, just like the rest of 'em!
>
>BTW, I am getting ready to market a new mouse-trap that customers must pay
>for by the kill.  Oh, sure, it'll do the job on 10 mice with no
modification
>to the one-mouse version, but that would be outside the license agreement.
>Anyone interested?
>
>-Matthew Brown
>----- Original Message -----
>From: ronald ingber <roningber at hotmail.com>
>To: <matthew.brown at cordata.net>; <ase-linux-list at isug.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 2:17 PM
>Subject: Re: ASE 11.9.2 Pricing
>
>
>>Based on the last Microsoft briefing, the $3000 charge for Internet
>>connection is per processor. The high-end, multi-processor servers
>>get more expensive. A four processor server will have a cost of
>>$12,000.
>>
>>
>>----Original Message Follows----
>>From: "Matthew Brown" <matthew.brown at cordata.net>
>>To: "Sybase ASE Linux Mailing List" <ase-linux-list at isug.com>
>>Subject: Re: ASE 11.9.2 Pricing
>>Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:49:54 -0400
>>
>>Everyone does this.  Microsoft just does it for less.  Microsoft's
>>Internet
>>Connector is around $3000, but it's the same principle.  They want to
>>make
>>money for the type of use their client is going to have for the
>>product.  I
>>see this all the time in my work with API vendors.  They all want to
>>know
>>what you're going to use their product for before they'll price it.
>>
>>I'm not sure they're wrong, but it seems like every body wants their
>>hand in
>>your till all the time.  Very annoying.
>>
>>-Matthew Brown
>>CorData
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Eric Miles <ericm at boxerjam.com>
>>To: Sybase ASE Linux Mailing List <ase-linux-list at isug.com>
>>Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 8:33 AM
>>Subject: Re: ASE 11.9.2 Pricing
>>
>>
>>>I have no problem paying for support, etc. - that's value added.  I
>>do have
>>a problem paying a $25,000 fee just because I mentioned the word
>>'Internet'
>>and everyone is cashing in on that these days.  Sybase is simply
>>trying to
>>dip into their clients' ecommerce pockets.  Don't get me wrong, I do
>>appreciate the free Linux database, but the Internet Access License
>>fee is a
>>deal breaker for those on tight budgets.  This is exactly what
>>Micro$oft is
>>extremely good at - capitalizing on mistakes made by others.  What
>>value
>>added is a 1 time fee like this have?  Does anyone else do this?
>>>
>>>
>>>Curtis Johnson wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can understand their point(Sybase)... One of my many licenses is
>>a 250
>>>> user ASE 11.9.2 for Solaris  Enterprise -- that one cost a pretty
>>penny
>>and
>>>> the maint is not cheap per year either.  I use this license on a
>>database
>>>> that has PeopleSoft as the primary app.  Since we access it through
>>Tuxedo
>>>> (now, didn't originally), we really only have 5 users or so
>>according to
>>the
>>>> Database...  So, how does a DB company deal with this?  Do they
>>say sure-
>>>> buy only 5 licenses instead of spending a few 100K on our db
>>engine?
>>They
>>>> would go out of business.  So, I was waiting to see how they
>>(including
>>>> Oracle, Informix, Micro$oft....) to this type of architecture -
>>not just
>>web
>>>> but app server as well.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know?
>>>>
>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>> > From: owner-ase-linux-list at isug.com
>>>> > [mailto:owner-ase-linux-list at isug.com]On Behalf Of Jason Froebe
>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 8:21 AM
>>>> > To: Eric Miles
>>>> > Cc: Sybase ASE Linux Mailing List
>>>> > Subject: Re: ASE 11.9.2 Pricing
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Eric Miles wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Has anyone heard anything about pricing for ASE 11.9.2?  If the
>>pricing
>>>> > > scheme is going to be similar to the NT product, what is
>>that?  Just
>>a
>>>> > > ballpark would be nice.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Questions for any Sybase reps listening:
>>>> > > I've been quoted various Sybase products on various platforms
>>and
>>seem
>>>> > > to keep running into this IAL (Internet Access License) fee.
>>It was
>>>> > > explained to me that if the database is going to be used to
>>power the
>>>> > > backend for a web application that this fee would apply.  OK,
>>so what
>>>> > > additional funtionality do I get for the $25,000 IAL fee
>>sitting on
>>top
>>>> > > of a $4,000 database?  Seems pretty bogus to me!  For that
>>amount of
>>>> > > overhead, do I get a Sybase engineer shipped in a crate for 3
>>months
>>>> > > worth of support?  Is this IAL fee going to apply to the Linux
>>>> > > versions?  I understand it's an unlimited client issue but the
>>database
>>>> > > server should only care about the application servers talking
>>directly
>>>> > > to it not the millions of internet users talking to the app
>>server.
>>>> > > Sybase has a nice product - don't let the marketeers ruin fine
>>>> > > engineering - that happens enough elsewhere!
>>>> > >
>>>> > > --
>>>> > > Sybase/Linux FAQ: http://www.mbay.net/~mpeppler/linux.html
>>>> > > To subscribe ...: complete the form at http://www.isug.com
>>>> > > To unsubscribe .: send body "unsubscribe ase-linux-list <email
>>address>"
>>>> > > to majordomo at isug.com.
>>>> >
>>>> > Hi Eric,
>>>> >
>>>> > I have no idea on the pricing. Check with your Sybase sales rep
>>or call
>>>> > 1-800-8SYBASE.
>>>> >
>>>> > There is no fee on ASE 11.0.3.3 for Linux.
>>>> >
>>>> > Jason
>>>
>>>--
>>>Sybase/Linux FAQ: http://www.mbay.net/~mpeppler/linux.html
>>>To subscribe ...: complete the form at http://www.isug.com
>>>To unsubscribe .: send body "unsubscribe ase-linux-list <email
>>address>"
>>>to majordomo at isug.com.
>>
>>--
>>Sybase/Linux FAQ: http://www.mbay.net/~mpeppler/linux.html
>>To subscribe ...: complete the form at http://www.isug.com
>>To unsubscribe .: send body "unsubscribe ase-linux-list <email
>>address>"
>>to majordomo at isug.com.
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________________________
>>Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
>
>--
>Sybase/Linux FAQ: http://www.mbay.net/~mpeppler/linux.html
>To subscribe ...: complete the form at http://www.isug.com
>To unsubscribe .: send body "unsubscribe ase-linux-list <email address>"
>to majordomo at isug.com.