[ale] Weird window-manager shenanigans on debian 12...

[William Wylde]

On Thu, Sep 18, 2025 at 11:16 PM Ron via Ale <ale at ale.org> wrote:

> William Wylde via Ale wrote on 2025-09-18 19:39:
>
> > Yeah, I think I've figured out what happened.  Something "updated" and
> > set wayland as the default graphical UI system.
>
> That's interesting - something to watch out for. Thanks for updating us
> on what you found.
>
>
Might as well.  I troubled you to find out what was going on... :-D



>
>
> > I just installed KDE.
>
> Excellent choice.  I kinda hated KDE plasma 5 when it first came out,
> but it got *really* nice. And now they're at plasma v6. I love it and
> it's made me lose any nostalgia I had for OS/2.
>
>
Yeah, KDE is still a little heavy for my tastes, but it's lighter than
gnome, and not as weird in it's DE.   I used to like gnome, until they
introduced unity, which was horrible.  Like a
nightmarish knock-off of the original windows 10 "start menu".   It hasn't
got any better.   Most apps I use I just pin to my taskbar, or run in the
tray.   Less used apps I don't mind wiggling the mouse around a bit to find
a place to click, but gnome forces you to struggle through the entire apps
menu for anything.   More clicks, more confusion.  :-/



>
> One app that just doesn't get enough recognition is KDEconnect, which is
> also available for other platforms.
>


> <sniped>
>
>

> etc. ad nauseam.  A true "killer app".
>
>
Yeah, I might do that, but I'm leery about connecting a phone to anything
now, since the apple image vulnerability.   It was also available under
LXQt, btw...  :-D



>
> > I'm tired of messing with it.  And it imported my
> > LXQT desktop settings with no problem...
>
> Nice, I had no idea it could do that.
>
>
Apparently it does...


> > so wayland it is, I guess.
>
> It's the future and apparently coming along nicely. I'm still using X11
> but found myself in Wayland on a new install a while back and didn't
> realize it for weeks - everything just worked™. Until I tried to
> screen-share.
>
>
That's what I figure.  It'll be everywhere soon, and you never can tell
when you'll be called on to work with it.  Might as well learn it now.



> Maybe that's fixed now.
>
>
Haven't tried that.  VNC works under wayland, though.



> > dag-nabbit.
>
> Bonus of using Wayland: a Discord app (for example) can't read the
> inputs to your bank's URL when entering account number and password.
>
> Under X11, that's impossible to prevent, and in 2025 kinda shockingly
> bad security.
>

Yeah, that's another reason I'm just riding the wave here with wayland.  It
promises to be a lot more secure than Xorg.




>
>
> Another potential benefit - if you have 2 monitors of different DPI
> capabilities, Wayland should make them both look good instead of hacks
> to make scaling some fractional number that's okay on both.
>
>
That may become relevant very soon.  I'm building a machine with a high-end
processor with multi-threading, and I've got 2 nvidia tesla gpus to go into
it, and 32 gb of ram.  I plan on running a local LLM (any I want, really).
 Will be good for graphics too.

We'll see how buggy the nvidia stuff is, I guess.

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