[ale] [EXTERNAL] Re: What divides Linux Distros?

[Steve Litt]

On Mon, 8 Feb 2021 09:35:56 -0500
Solomon Peachy <pizza at shaftnet.org> wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 08, 2021 at 08:22:44AM -0500, Steve Litt via Ale wrote:
> > Hell no! Allen called Poettering an "arrogant and deranged fool",
> > and that's a very supportable position. As far as arrogant, please
> > see minutes 24:00 to 25:00 of:  
> 
> No, it's not supportable, justifiable, _OR_ okay.

That's your opinion, based on no evidence.

Also, I'm on the list, so can you please quit sending copies to both me
and the list?

> 
> The guy gets *death threats* for having the audacity to write Free 
> Software and (successfully!) convincing other folks to adopt it.

Neither Allen nor I threatened his life. Neither Allen nor I called for
his death.

> Note I said _convincing_, not _coercing_.

With Red Hat's millions funding propaganda.

> 
> It. Is. Not. Okay.

Says you, like I say, with no evidence.

> 
> Don't like software he wrote? Don't use it.  
> It's all Free Software,
> and you're free to write or maintain stuff that you think is
> "better", and convince others to go along with you.

Like I said, don't insult our intelligence. You know dam well I can't
work fast enough to undo the constant additions to systemd, or the
constant subsumations of other software, when RH is paying what, a
million dollars a year in developer salaries, to keep systemd a moving
target.

> 
> And you are doing a _very_ piss-poor job of that!

Ah, another ad-hominem.

> 
> > Search for the word "complexity". And don't *even* try to make an
> > argument that this interview pre-dated systemd --- the point is that
> > Red Hat was looking for complexity to turn into profit. They found
> > that complexity with systemd.  
> 
>  "Q: Do you think the Red Hat model would apply equally well to other
> areas of software?
> 
>     "Red Hat's model works because of the complexity of the
> technology we work with. An operating platform has a lot of moving
> parts, and customers are willing to pay to be insulated from that
> complexity.
> 
>     "I don't think you can take one finite element - like Apache -
> and make a business out of it [using our model]. You need product 
>     complexity.
> 
> Sure, RH's model only works when there's a minimum level of overall 
> complexity.  So what?

Have you forgotten your statement that prompted my response? Look back
in the thread to see your statement that is not quoted here.

 
> Meanwhile, you do realize that *everyone else* adopting systemd, 

That's wishful thinking on your part.

> reducing the operational difference between major distros, actually 
> *reduces* lock-in and training needs, 

There was no Free Software lock-in before systemd. And it doesn't
reduce training at all, unless you assume the trainees are once-a-year
distro-hoppers.

> making it *simpler* to switch
> to Red Hat's competition?

You're right about that. Systemd made it an extremely simple no-brainer
for me to switch to Void Linux, with its runit init system.

SteveT

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