[ale] What divides Linux Distros?

[Jim Kinney]

I'm not sure, but I think tar may win on flag count.

On February 6, 2021 11:03:23 AM EST, JEFFREY LIGHTNER via Ale <ale at ale.org> wrote:
>My favorite answer to this kind of question was given to me by a
>consultant years ago.   
>
>Initially I'd learned cpio on AT&T UNIX and continued to use it for
>years through other UNIX variants.   Later I began seeing people using
>tar instead but had not really found anything that made tar seem like a
>better answer.
>
>The product the vendor was installing used tar bundles and suggested
>doing tar backups.   I asked the consultant why one would prefer tar
>over cpio or vice-versa.   His one word reply:
>
>"Religion"
>
>Almost all arguments I've seen since then have essentially boiled down
>to that though people will go to great lengths to "explain" why their
>"preferences" are somehow more valid than the "preferences" of others.
>
>By the way I did quit using cpio for most purposes years ago in favor
>of GNU tar which  has far more flags than the early UNIX tar commands
>had.
>
>P.S.  I'm a member of the church of systemd.  :p
>
>
>
>> On 02/06/2021 10:07 AM DJ-evia Ale <ale at ale.org> wrote:
>> 
>>  
>> On 2/6/21 2:10 AM, Steve Litt via Ale wrote:
>> > On Fri, 05 Feb 2021 20:55:50 -0500
>> > Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > 
>> >> I LIKE systemd. Best tool yet for getting a ton of crap running on
>a
>> >> huge array of bare metal and virtual. About as complex as tar.
>> >>
>> >> Some people just can't wrap their head around and bitch nonstop. 
>> > 
>> > Try runit. Or s6.
>> > 
>> 
>> I'm not a fan of systemd, but why would I change distros just for a 
>> different init? I'm still waiting for PulseAudio to work and struggle
>> to make systemd do what I want beyond pre-installed stuff. I miss the
>
>> days of init.d/ scripts - at least then I could tell when something 
>> would be run. 
>> 
>> And don't get me started about how systemd has screwed the fstab and 
>> made running fsck 100x harder by removing the touch /forcefsck 
>> capability.
>> 
>> Still, some things aren't worth it to me. There may be hundreds of 
>> distros, but in the business world, there are maybe 5. Trying to 
>> suggest running anything except one of those 5 is counter productive.
>> What do those 5 distros all have in common?  They use systemd and
>they 
>> are the most popular distros.  I'd have just as much luck pushing a 
>> BSD desktop - i.e. none.
>> 
>> Sure. I can understand that some people can and will avoid systemd.
>> That's great.  Let me know when one of those 5 most-popular distros 
>> drops it.
>> 
>> Redhat/IBM giving away RHEL for small needs is both good and bad for 
>> Linux. It is sorta like how Microsoft nearly gives away MS-SBS.  As 
>> soon as a small company's needs outgrow about 50 users, they are 
>> already trapped. Trapped by current skills. Trapped by comfort.  And 
>> it will make every school training IT people use RHEL, so all those 
>> people will run it at their homes. Brilliant, just like a drug dealer
>
>> with "the first taste is free" promotions.
>> 
>> IMHO.
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