[ale] How old is this list?
Pete Hardie
pete.hardie at gmail.com
Wed Feb 3 17:58:43 EST 2021
innate skill and youth can do great things, but never sell experience
short. My favorite anecdote for this is that mobile pizza app from about a
decade ago that was doing credit card validation on the app side, and a
security researcher found out he could edit the response and get free pizza
(he did it only once to prove it worked). The kicker was that this was
exactly the same problem that had been solved a decade earlier (around the
turn of the century) for web commerce - so if the app developer had hired
experienced devs, they would have known to validate on the server side
On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 5:51 PM Jim Kinney via Ale <ale at ale.org> wrote:
> The 20-something geniuses are impressive. What they lack in experience
> they over compensate for with enthusiasm and an ability to nearly instantly
> absorb new tech that I have to sweat over.
>
> Your experience on the road underscores a need to replace 2-ton death
> machines with something better and well separated from living creatures in
> the high to medium density areas from urban to suburbs.
>
> I plan to use some of my retired time playing D&D and Magic The Gathering
> again. It's been too long.
>
> On February 3, 2021 12:24:13 PM EST, Tod Fassl via Ale <ale at ale.org>
> wrote:
>>
>> I manage the research cluster for the math dept at a Big Ten
>> university. I'm retiring partly because I can, partly because keeping up
>> with 20-something math geniuses is too hard at my age, and because I'm
>> blind. Being blind is a drag. I'm a distance runner, rock climber, very
>> active in my community. But imagine your typical bad day -- spill coffee
>> on yourself, miss your bus, 271 messages in your inbox, etc. Then
>> imagine adding blindness to that. I've been run down by inattentive
>> drivers twice in the last 2 years. I mean hit and knocked down by
>> somebody on their phone when I was in a crosswalk with a green light. My
>> guide dog lost some teeth the last time. I just had some road rash but
>> the next time I had to get to my office, I found myself shaking when I
>> had to cross at that intersection. I got over it eventually but stuff
>> like that wears you down. I'm tired of being superman, of being fearless.
>>
>>
>> I intend to work on open-source projects for the blind after I retire. I
>> have a program where you can treat a normal keyboard like a braille
>> keyboard and create brf (braille format) text files. I'm also working on
>> the world's first fully blind accessible Dungeons & Dragon's module. And
>> I'll probably work on bug fixes in the Linux screen reader, orca.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/2/21 11:48 AM, Jon "maddog" Hall via Ale wrote:
>>
>>> The Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts were a group of mostly university
>>> students who loved (GNU). There are still web pages existent at
>>> ale.org that tell much of the history.
>>>
>>> The group founded in December of 1994, and in those days the first
>>> thing you did was form a mailing list, so I would assume that this
>>> list or something deeply connected to it started at that time.
>>>
>>> The Atlanta Linux Showcase started in 1996. If I remember correctly
>>> it was held on the Georgia Tech Campus the first year, at the Apparel
>>> Mart downtown in 1998, The Cobb Galleria in 1999 and 2000.
>>>
>>> In 2001 the original organizers had all graduated and were busy with
>>> jobs, buying houses, etc. and the USENIX organization took it over.
>>>
>>> USENIX made four gigantic mistakes:
>>>
>>> o they renamed it to the Annual Linux Showcase
>>> o they moved it to Oakland, California in November, 2001
>>> o they tried to take a free (as in beer) event and charge 350 dollars
>>> for it
>>> o they allowed Osama Bin-Laden to crash airplanes into the World Trade
>>> Center on September 11, 2001
>>>
>>> When USENIX had not sold a single reservation within three weeks of
>>> the event, I convinced them to make it free and about 300-400 people
>>> showed up, but USENIX never produced another Linux only show.
>>>
>>> The ale.org web site is still there, with just a few 404s. If you
>>> want to see what the original events were like there are even some
>>> pictures.
>>>
>>> It is nice that the mailing list is still active. The Linux group
>>> that I started in 1994 and ran for ten years also has a mailing list,
>>> but it is much less active than yours.
>>>
>>> Congratulations to Tod for thinking about retiring....I still have too
>>> much fun and I will retire with my mouse still clutched in my cold,
>>> dead hands.
>>>
>>> Peace and love,
>>>
>>> maddog
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 02/02/2021 10:50 AM Paul Manno via Ale <ale at ale.org> wrote:
>>>> There are probably still some of us lurking here who were around when
>>>> the list was first
>>>> created and who helped create those Atlanta Linux Showcase shows. In
>>>> either case, I am
>>>> not going to even try to think about when I started using either
>>>> Linux or UNIX... LoL
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 9:59 AM Larry Johnson via Ale < ale at ale.org
>>>> <mailto:ale at ale.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> My memory isn't great as I'm about to turn 70, but I first installed
>>>> Linux in early 1995, and seem to remember signing up for the list
>>>> not
>>>> long thereafter.
>>>>
>>>> Which means I might have been a lurker for around 25 years.
>>>>
>>>> On 2/2/21 8:47 AM, Robert Reese via Ale wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Tod,
>>>>>
>>>>> Monday, February 1, 2021, 12:19:30 PM, you wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Am I misremembering? Because I think I got on this list when I
>>>>>>
>>>>> was in grad school which would have been in the mid-late 90s. The
>>>> reason I'm asking is that I am thinking of retiring. I was a
>>>> really old grad student and now I'm retiring early. Even so. Is
>>>> it possible I've been on this list my entire professional career?
>>>>
>>>>> I'd say it's entirely possible. I joined in the late 90's also.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Robert Reese~
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Robert~
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