[ale] Need an Ethernet cutoff relay

Mon Aug 2 14:07:16 EDT 2021

Yeah, in Blue state like NY.

AFAIK, all of our members are in GA & AL (and me in FL) so that
would not happen and besides not much liability for emotional distress of
hearing sound of shotgun cocking except maybe in NY or Cali.

On Sun, Aug 01, 2021 at 06:54:05PM -0400, Jim Kinney wrote:
> Dumb burglars have files suit for injuries sustained in an unsuccessful robbery.
> 
> One from ages ago involved the classic step on a rake, idiot the fell dropping the tv, the glass flying about cost an eye. He sued because the rake was a menace outside the house. I seem to recall he won but the liability was limited to the bandaid on his head from the rake impact.
> 
> On August 1, 2021 4:40:03 PM EDT, Bob Toxen via Ale <ale at ale.org> wrote:
> >It would be the mailman or a neighbor or a peddler that calls the cops,
> >not the burglar silly.
> >
> >On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 06:54:14PM -0400, Robert Reese wrote:
> >> ROFL - I doubt someone breaking into a house to be met with the sound
> >of a ratcheting shotgun is gonna call the cops, especially since the
> >sound of a real one is perfectly legal :P
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Friday, July 30, 2021, 11:42:36 AM, you wrote:
> >> 
> >> > I assume that you are joking, unless you want the SWAT team to
> >visit.
> >> > Instead, a recording of a snarling vicious dog would be
> >> > effective and legal.
> >> 
> >> > On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 01:54:20PM -0400, Jim Kinney wrote:
> >> >> So I guess my plan of having a prerecorded sound of a shotgun
> >being racked followed by a taser discharge and a strobe light are
> >secondary?
> >> 
> >> >> On July 29, 2021 12:48:17 PM EDT, Robert Reese via Ale
> ><ale at ale.org> wrote:
> >> >> >Hi Phil,
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Look at the offerings by Sequent Microsystems. They can be
> >operated by
> >> >> >a Pi. So you can roll your own bluetooth/wifi/etc. solution. 
> >Yes, they
> >> >> >have DIN rail mounts available. 
> >> >> >https://sequentmicrosystems.com/collections/all-io-cards
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Also, there are many switches, such as were used in pinball
> >machines,
> >> >> >that can activate with the type of shock you're describing. All
> >cheap,
> >> >> >reliable, and easy to implement.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Cheers,
> >> >> >R~
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Thursday, July 29, 2021, 12:18:24 PM, you wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Great idea.  X-10 remote control could be used to kill power.
> >> >> >> X-10 can, of course, be controlled by computer, phone, or
> >otherwise.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 10:26:56AM -0400, Phil Turmel via Ale
> >wrote:
> >> >> >>> If you can't find anything else, consider a small brainless
> >> >> >>> unmanaged POE switch and kill its power.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>> On 7/26/21 2:18 PM, Alex Carver via Ale wrote:
> >> >> >>> >I've been searching for over a week now with no luck.
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> >What I'm looking for is a small-ish (DIN rail mount would be
> >ideal)
> >> >> >>> >relay device that accepts a signal and will completely cut
> >off all
> >> >> >four
> >> >> >>> >pairs of an Ethernet connection.   It should at least be
> >shielded
> >> >> >(so no
> >> >> >>> >cheap switch boxes from Amazon adorned with Brother P-Touch
> >labels,
> >> >> >>> >those are also manual push buttons :) ).
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> >Some of the closest I've gotten are A/B switches but they're
> >in
> >> >> >desktop
> >> >> >>> >cases and are just too big.
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> >Purpose:
> >> >> >>> >I am going to be installing a VoIP door station to replace
> >the
> >> >> >doorbell
> >> >> >>> >button. It's a PoE unit so I do need all the pairs. It has
> >several
> >> >> >>> >additional I/O and power ports for various uses, one of which
> >> >> >provides a
> >> >> >>> >steady 12 VDC when the unit is up. I plan to link this to a
> >> >> >latching
> >> >> >>> >relay in such a way that if the 12 VDC suddenly disappears
> >(e.g.
> >> >> >someone
> >> >> >>> >took a baseball bat and adjusted the camera angle), it will
> >break
> >> >> >the
> >> >> >>> >Ethernet lines to the exposed patch cable making it a dead
> >cable
> >> >> >which a
> >> >> >>> >computer can't use.
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> >The box itself doesn't need the latching relay, it just needs
> >a
> >> >> >simple
> >> >> >>> >relay that is either on or off with the application of
> >signal. 
> >> >> >I'll
> >> >> >>> >take care of the latching part separately with other external
> >> >> >relays.
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> >I just can't seem to find anything like this.  Just for fun I
> >tried
> >> >> >an
> >> >> >>> >industrial PoE injector that I had handy which takes 24 VDC
> >in but
> >> >> >the
> >> >> >>> >data lines are passed right through the unit so even with it
> >off it
> >> >> >>> >doesn't stop the drop from working as a minimum 10/100 (two
> >pair)
> >> >> >port.
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> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Cheers,
> >> >> >Robert~
> >> >> >
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> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Cheers,
> >> Robert~
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