[ale] [OT] Java License change

[Michael Potter]

The JVM is appealing for cloud computing (running multiple apps isolated on
a single machine), but now containerization (Docker) has reduced the appeal
of the JVM.

Now a person can deploy a container with basically any technology in it and
have it run more efficiently than deploying an app that runs strictly on
the JVM.

Java is the new COBOL.





On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 4:52 PM Lightner, Jeffrey via Ale <ale at ale.org>
wrote:

> The maddening thing about Java is they keep upgrading but there is almost
> zero backward compatibility.   If I use a tool written to work in 6 it
> fails in 7 and 8.  If I use a tool written to work in 7 it fails in 8.  For
> many products that are Windows based this means I have to fight to try to
> install multiple versions of Java on a Windows workstation and hope I do it
> in such a way that one version doesn't blow away another one.
>
> In theory you can have multiple Java versions installed in Windows.  In
> practice it is very difficult.    More than once I've had to uninstall all
> versions and start all over.
>
> The simple answer to upgrade the tools is espoused by simpletons who don't
> understand that getting newer versions of things is often impossible.
>  I've always wondered why they can't just make "modes" for older versions
> and give you big warnings when you use them rather than simply try to
> prevent you from using the tools that use those older versions.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ale [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of James Taylor via Ale
> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 3:06 PM
> To: ale at ale.org; Allen Beddingfield
> Subject: Re: [ale] [OT] Java License change
>
> I'm not a developer, and my company doesn't do any java development, so
> the only exposure to oracle java is for purchased apps licensing is going
> to be their headache.
> Unless specifically required, I usually installed openjdk.
> -jt
>
>
> James Taylor
> 678-697-9420
> james.taylor at eastcobbgroup.com
>
>
>
> >>> "Beddingfield, Allen via Ale" <ale at ale.org> 10/29/2018 2:05 PM >>>
> I'm at a university (University of Alabama), so ours are all for operating
> the university...  either vendor supplied or some internally developed.
> Allen B.
>
> On 10/29/18 12:57 PM, Simba via Ale wrote:
> > Curious, what app(s) do you build? I'm wondering if they're for sale
> > or just internal use?
> >
> > I recently reviewed an application as a possible replacement for
> > Helpdesk ticketing and ended up rejecting it because it's Java based..
> > and I recently stopped paying for PHPStorm in favor of Sublime Text
> > because PHPStorm is slow as hell (because it's Java based).
> >
> > Just food for thought, if your app is for sale.
> >
> >
> > Simba Lion - https://tailpuff.net
> > https://keybase.io/simbalion
> >
> > "Why is a raven like a writing desk?"
> > On 10/29/18 12:47 PM, Beddingfield, Allen via Ale wrote:
> >> Our app team is looking at a wholesale switch to OpenJDK.
> >> Allen B.
> >>
> >> On 10/29/18 11:29 AM, Leam Hall via Ale wrote:
> >>> Hey all, looking for your thoughts on how Oracle's changes to the
> >>> Java license will affect things. It looks like they are pushing to
> >>> support contracts for businesses and supposedly users will fall
> >>> under the gun in 2020.
> >>>
> >>> Thoughts?
> >>>
> >>> Leam
> >>>
> >>>
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