[ale] Lower cost hosting for ALE
Jim Kinney
jim.kinney at gmail.com
Wed Dec 19 14:46:19 EST 2018
AAAANNNDDDDD...
this thread is dead please. There's no further discussion required of
timelines or anything else. It has been archived publicly for the
entire world to see and laugh at.
"Oh look! ANOTHER mailing list goes up in smoke in 2018."
Should start seeing the unsubscribe notifications start up in the next
hour.
:-(
On Wed, 2018-12-19 at 19:40 +0000, Lightner, Jeffrey via Ale wrote:
> Someone who I didn't name now takes umbrage at what I said which
> would seem to prove my point. There's an old saying: The guilty
> flee where none pursue.
> For the record I saw a reasonable discussion of shared hosting
> yesterday until at 11 AM when that "someone" suggested that posters
> were providing BS and stated the world was full of liars.
> At 11:30 AM that same "someone" directly contradicted a statement by
> another poster that he couldn't possibly know was either true or
> untrue because only that poster and DO would know. He again called
> it BS.
> At 11:32 AM in response to the second attack the other poster called
> him a shill. By that point I'll have to say I too though that
> "someone" was being way too aggressive and suspected the likely
> reason was a vested interest in DO.
> In my book that timing shows clearly what started the
> "flame". Until then it was just a discussion of different
> viewpoints. I didn't even think it was wrong to ask if user error
> was involved but once one starts throwing around terms like "BS" and
> "liars" it has gotten out of hand and that "someone" lost all
> credibility as it suggested an inability to make reasoned arguments.
> I've on occasion seen issues that no one else seems to have and I've
> also on occasion seen others complain of issues that I've not
> seen. However, in neither case do I immediately leap to the
> conclusion that others are lying or full of BS. Instead I assume
> they simply had different experiences than I or at worst one of us is
> mistaken.
> Since trolls can never admit when they're wrong I'll let that
> "someone" have the next (and hopefully) last post on the subject.
>
> -----Original Message-----From: Ale <ale-bounces at ale.org> On Behalf
> Of Simba via AleSent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 2:10 PMTo:
> ale at ale.org
> Subject: Re: [ale] Lower cost hosting for ALE
> Hardly, I have zero patience for BS, and it's my opinion that when
> the first statement made in a post is incitement the rest of the post
> be treated as junk.
> Such as when Mr. Carver called my a Shill, or when Mr. Lightner
> blamed me just now for starting a flame war.
> What actually happened is I challenged two individuals for their
> claims of mistreatment by a well-respected company not known for such
> things, and only one of them sort-of supported their claims, and the
> other immediately resorted to name-calling. And comparing my lack of
> patience to Mr. Torvald's history of abusive behavior is hardly fair,
> by the way.
> And furthermore, everyone is able to read the archive and judge for
> themselves so there is zero need to regurgitate any of it. Unless one
> is trying to re-ignite a fight. Which is a separate concern.
> However, I agree Leam did nothing wrong posting his question. And I
> believe he got some good answers.
> Simba Lion - https://tailpuff.net
> https://keybase.io/simbalion
>
> "Why is a raven like a writing desk?"
> On 12/19/18 2:04 PM, dev null zero two via Ale wrote:
> > *whoosh*
> > On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 2:03 PM Simba via Ale <ale at ale.org <mailto:
> > ale at ale.org>> wrote:
> > You're targeting me and I don't appreciate it. The man called
> > me a shill. I didn't start the fire. And you're trying to throw
> > fuel on it.
> > Simba Lion - https://tailpuff.net
> > https://keybase.io/simbalion
> >
> > "Why is a raven like a writing desk?"
> > On 12/19/18 2:02 PM, Lightner, Jeffrey via Ale wrote: >
> > Leam, asking a technical question is the point of this list so
> > you have nothing for which to apologize. > > The fact that
> > someone decided to attack both the people that indicated they
> > had had past problems with Digital Ocean isn't even their
> > fault. It is purely that of the attacker - you don't get far by
> > calling people liars. One of them did respond by calling him
> > a shill but that was a reaction to the attacks in my opinion.
> > I started to respond in that thread but then realized I'd just
> > be adding fuel to the fire. Long ago I learned the best way to
> > deal with trollish behavior is to ignore the trolls. Such
> > attacks always make me suspect the attacker has a vested
> > interest in what he is defending and almost always make me think
> > less of the attacker than of those he is attacking. > > By
> > the way, we use DO here for one Joomla page that is
> > unimportant to our operation because Joomla is regularly pinged
> > as insecure by security scanners and there was no need to have
> > that on our main web servers. We've never used Vultr and I
> > don't have a strong opinion on either. > > Every time I
> > see a mini-flame war here I'm reminded of the scene in the
> > Godfather where Clemenza tells Michael that mob wars
> > must happen, every once in a while, to clear the air. They're
> > not quite as vicious as the ones from years ago. > > I'm
> > surprised to see suggestion of splitting the list into
> > a professional's list and another again (though I applaud
> > the cleverness of the pale-ale name). Every time that has
> > been suggested in the past it seemed to just start another flame
> > war. > > It was interesting to me that a separate place was
> > apparently started as I don't recall that in the many years I've
> > been on this list. Either I missed it during a vacation or it
> > happened before I got here, or I wasn't invited. > > It
> > is amusing to see that the person that first went personal
> > in the shared hosting thread is now suggesting they want to help
> > with creating a separate list. That seems to ignore what Jim
> > wrote as to his reasoning for raising the prospect
> > again. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ale <ale-
> > bounces at ale.org <mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org>> On Behalf Of Leam
> > Hall via Ale > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 12:46 PM >
> > To: Rich Roberts via Ale <ale at ale.org <mailto:ale at ale.org>> >
> > Subject: Re: [ale] Lower cost hosting for ALE > > On 12/19/18
> > 12:41 PM, Rich Roberts via Ale wrote: >> I believe this is the
> > thread. *"Replacing shared host"* > > Yes; it was pretty
> > pathetic. Sadly, I started the thread; for that you all have my
> > deepest apologies. > > Leam >
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James P. Kinney III
Every time you stop a school, you will have to build a jail. What you
gain at one end you lose at the other. It's like feeding a dog on his
own tail. It won't fatten the dog.
- Speech 11/23/1900 Mark Twain
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