[ale] Future-proofing a house for networking -- what to run?
Jim Kinney
jim.kinney at gmail.com
Tue Sep 12 12:38:04 EDT 2017
Cool new toy from Ubiquiti:
https://inwall.ubnt.com/
puts an AC WAP in a wall plate that has dual 1G ethernet with PoE. And
_still_ has an external PoE 1G port and a non-powered 1G port
On Tue, 2017-09-12 at 11:47 -0400, Scott Plante wrote:
> My understanding is that the UniFi uses a centralized management
> software while the EdgeSwitch uses a local individual web/ssh
> management interface. It used to be you had more flexibility with the
> ssh command line interface but they have been releasing new
> iterations of the UniFi control software so that may not be true so
> much anymore.
>
> We just ordered a 48 port EdgeSwitch, Amazon Warehouse scratch-and-
> dent to save money. Supposedly only had a scratched finish on the
> back but turned out to be DOA. Fans would run but no lights and no
> switching. The full price version wasn't prime, and we already have a
> Ubiquity wi-fi using the management software, so I ordered the UniFi
> 48-port switch--supposed to be here Wednesday.
>
> For the UniFi, you can buy a small device (is it a RPi inside?) that
> has it running, or install it somewhere locally. At least for the
> hotspot, there's no way to administer the device directly, if I
> remember correctly.
>
> https://hub.docker.com/r/jacobalberty/unifi/
> https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Unifi-Cloud-Key-Control/dp/B017T2QB22
> /
>
> --
> Scott Plante
>
> From: "Derek Atkins" <derek at ihtfp.com>
> To: "Kyle Brieden" <kyle at txmoose.com>
> Cc: ale at ale.org, "Jim Kinney" <jim.kinney at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 11:09:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [ale] Future-proofing a house for networking -- what to
> run?
>
> Kyle,
>
> Thanks for the info. I must applogize to you -- I read your reply
> before seeing the one to which you were replying.
>
> The cameras I plan to get require 12W each (well, the power supply
> they
> come with is a 12V 1A power supply -- so I'm ASSUMING that it will
> want
> to draw 12W from PoE). This means that the 250W swich can only
> support
> 20 cameras (which *MAY* be sufficient). So that would certainly save
> ~$200 versus the -500W version. On the other hand part of that 250W
> probably needs to power the router itself, so it's probably fewer
> cameras than that. So I might still need to go to the 500W version
> for
> $523.
>
> The Cisco you list below only has 12 PoE ports, which isn't
> sufficient.
>
> Question: What is the difference between the UniFi Switch and the
> EdgeSwitch?
>
> -derek
>
> Kyle Brieden <kyle at txmoose.com> writes:
>
> > I suppose I could have been more clear. I was not so much
> > recommending the specific gear I have as I was recommending
> Ubiquiti
> > as a brand, and noting the gear that I have as anecdotal evidence
> to
> > support my recommendation. If you've already got high enough
> density
> > switching infrastructure, don't change it for sake of having all
> your
> > gear be the same brand. Network gear is network gear, and it all
> > plays nice together... more or less, anyway. But Ubiquiti gear is,
> in
> > my experience, far less expensive than comparably featured,
> supported,
> > and classed gear from damn near any other manufacturer.
> >
> >
> > 24 port managed PoE - $365 -
> > https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-UniFi-Switch-Managed-US-24-250W/dp/
> B00OJZUQ24/
> > 24 port managed PoE - $385 -
> > https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-EdgeSwitch-ES-24-250W-24-Ports-Mana
> ged/dp/B00LV8Z2V2/
> > 24 port managed PoE - $305 -
> > https://www.amazon.com/Cisco-SG200-26P-Ethernet-Mini-GBIC-SLM2024PT
> /dp/B004GHMU5Q/
> > 24 port managed - $215 -
> > https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-GS724Tv4-24-Port-Lifetime-Protection
> /dp/B00I5W5EGA/
> > 24 port managed - $193 -
> > https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Networks-US-24-Unifi-Switch/dp/B01L
> ZBLO0U/
> > 24 port managed - $185 -
> > https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Networks-Edgeswitch-Gigabit-ES-24-L
> ITE/dp/B013Z21ZJE/
> >
> > There's lots of range and options, I was simply saying that I
> > recommend Ubiquiti. Their support is incredibly helpful and
> > knowledgeable (in my experience with them), their gear is high
> quality
> > and easy to deploy, and I've been happy with the products I've
> > purchased to date.
> >
> > ---
> > Very respectfully,
> > Kyle Brieden
> >
> > On 11-09-2017 15:30, Derek Atkins wrote:
> >> Jim,
> >>
> >> Yes, I know the US-24-500W is a 24-port switch. Kyle recommended
> an
> >> 8-port, which doesn't help me.
> >>
> >> The PoE switch is, as I just said, for my PoE IP Camera network.
> My
> >> main
> >> network is separate. I cannot leverage any open ports on this
> >> switch for
> >> my main network (and I doubt the IP cameras suppose VLANs).
> >>
> >> I've already got a Cisco SG200-50 for my main switch. For the few
> >> additional PoE devices I have (currently: 2) I can just use
> standard
> >> PoE
> >> power injectors. They cost $17 each, which is much less than the
> >> additional cost of a PoE capable switch. So if I need to add a
> >> second AP,
> >> I'll happily pay another $17 vs having to spend an additional
> >> $100-200 for
> >> a (second) PoE-capable switch.
> >>
> >> I would also prefer to limit the number of switches if I can to
> >> limit the
> >> required cross-connects (which of course become bottlenecks).
> >>
> >> -derek
> >>
> >> On Mon, September 11, 2017 3:16 pm, Jim Kinney wrote:
> >>> That's a 24-port 1G PoE switch. It provides power to 24
> downstream
> >>> devices like phones, small switches and with some hacking,
> systems.
> >>> That particular switch is pretty useful for being a gateway
> switch for
> >>> other Ubiquiti WAPs (most all run on PoE).
> >>> I have this for home wireless:
> >>> https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Networks-802-11ac-Dual-Radio-UAP-
> AC-PRO
> >>>
> -US/dp/B015PRO512/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1505157073&sr=
> 1-
> >>> 1&keywords=ubiquiti%2BWAP&th=1
> >>> Due to a large, sheetmetal duct in the center of the house
> between
> >>> floors, there's a shadow in coverage that's not good. That $130
> is a
> >>> low cost way to slap a second unit in the ceiling on the top
> floor to
> >>> fill in that shadow.
> >>> Just search Amazon for Ubiquiti. Lots of toys at very good
> prices.
> >>> On Mon, 2017-09-11 at 14:58 -0400, Derek Atkins wrote:
> >>>> Kyle,
> >>>>
> >>>> The Unifi US-24-500W is $523 on Amazon. How is that
> >>>> "inexpensive"? I
> >>>> said I needed 16-24 ports, so not sure how an 8-port helps me.
> I do
> >>>> admit
> >>>> I didn't specify "rackmount" in my OP -- Mea Culpa. But I'd
> rather
> >>>> find
> >>>> something more in the $200 range for that purpose (a physically
> >>>> private
> >>>> network of IP security cameras).
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, I do have an Edgerouter for my main router, which replaced
> my
> >>>> Routerboard because the RB750 couldn't keep up with my Gigapower
> >>>> network.
> >>>> I mostly like it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Honestly I kind of like my DAP-2660 AC1200 AP and see little
> reason
> >>>> to
> >>>> switch. It's worked quite well for me.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>> -derek
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, September 11, 2017 2:36 pm, Kyle Brieden wrote:
> >>>> > EdgeOS, and absolutely LOVE my ubiquity gear. I got the
> Unifi 8
> >>>> > port
> >>>> > PoE switch, Unifi Security Gateway, and the WAP that support
> >>>> > 802.11ac.
> >>>> > It has literally changed my home networking. Can't recommend
> it
> >>>> > enough.
> >>>> > I got all 3 of those seriously high grade boxes for about
> the
> >>>> > same
> >>>> > price you pay for a consumer router that supports 802.11ac.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > HIGHLY recommend.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > +1
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > ---
> >>>> > Very respectfully,
> >>>> > Kyle Brieden
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On 11-09-2017 11:19, Jim Kinney wrote:
> >>>> > > On September 11, 2017 10:04:42 AM EDT, Derek Atkins <derek at i
> htfp.
> >>>> > > com>
> >>>> > > wrote:
> >>>> > > > Jim,
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > On Mon, September 11, 2017 9:51 am, Jim Kinney wrote:
> >>>> > > > > 10G multimode with lc connectors.
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > is it "easy" to build these? Are there LC connector
> keystone
> >>>> > > > jacks
> >>>> > > > available?
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > > Unless you _really_ are forward looking and install
> 100G.
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > OM3 fiber looks like it will get to 40/100G
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > > Otherwise install conduit and spare pull strings. That
> really
> >>>> > > > > future-proofs an install.
> >>>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > > I would plan for a 1" conduit with a single cat6, one
> rg6,
> >>>> > > > > one low
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > voltage
> >>>> > > > > line (music) and a pull string.
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > I'm not sure this is REALLY an option for me.I feel it is
> >>>> > > > certainly a
> >>>> > > > more
> >>>> > > > expensive option vs just running a bunch of cables now.
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > > Spend money on a distribution center that all these
> lines
> >>>> > > > > start from.
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > Good
> >>>> > > > > 10G switch, powered cable splitter, good remote
> adjustable
> >>>> > > > > amp for
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > music
> >>>> > > > > control.
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > Yes. My current house has a 96-port RJ45 patch panel (2/3
> >>>> > > > full). I
> >>>> > > > would
> >>>> > > > definitely repeat that. Similar with audio -- I've got a
> 6-
> >>>> > > > zone amp
> >>>> > > > (although I dont think my current one is remotely
> adjustable --
> >>>> > > > but I
> >>>> > > > just
> >>>> > > > adjust via iTunes).
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > I'm still researching TV/HDMI distribution systems....
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > Oh, and trying to find a good 16-24-port PoE (10/)100/1000
> >>>> > > > switch.
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > Look at Ubiquity. They have a selection of PoE switches in
> >>>> > > various
> >>>> > > port counts and rather affordable pricing. I've got a WAP
> and a
> >>>> > > 16
> >>>> > > port 10G switch from them. Pretty happy with both. Control
> >>>> > > software is
> >>>> > > closed source. Hardware looks like it may run the open
> switch
> >>>> > > software
> >>>> > > whose name escapes me.
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > > -derek
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > > On September 11, 2017 9:33:47 AM EDT, Derek Atkins <dere
> k at iht
> >>>> > > > > fp.com>
> >>>> > > > > wrote:
> >>>> > > > > > Hi Alers,
> >>>> > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > If you had the ability to future-proof your house
> (imagine
> >>>> > > > > > open
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > studs,
> >>>> > > > > > so you could run anything you wanted), what would you
> >>>> > > > > > run. Assume a
> >>>> > > > > > max
> >>>> > > > > > of 6 cables per drop?
> >>>> > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > Last time I ran 4x Cat6A and 2x RG6. However I'm
> never
> >>>> > > > > > using both
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > RG6
> >>>> > > > > > F-connectors, so I figured I could replace that with
> >>>> > > > > > something else.
> >>>> > > > > > And before you ask, yes, I *AM* using all 4 RJ45
> connectors
> >>>> > > > > > in some
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > of
> >>>> > > > > > my drops (and in one place I wish I had MORE Rj45).
> So,
> >>>> > > > > > what else
> >>>> > > > > > should I run?
> >>>> > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > My current theory is 4x Cat6A, 1x RG6, and 1x Fiber.
> >>>> > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > However I'm not sure what kind of "fiber" to run, nor
> what
> >>>> > > > > > kind of
> >>>> > > > > > connector I should use.
> >>>> > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > Any suggestions or recommendations?
> >>>> > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > -derek
> >>>> > > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > --
> >>>> > > > > > Derek Atkins 617-623-3745
> >>>> > > > > > derek at ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com
> >>>> > > > > > Computer and Internet Security Consultant
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