[ale] What's my job title?

[Lightner, Jeffrey]

Apparently according to a webinar invite I got this morning you don't even have to be a person to be an engineer.

"We will discuss, examine, and take questions about Network Engineer as a Service"

That amused me in light of this thread.


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From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of Alex Carver
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 8:25 PM
To: ale at ale.org
Subject: Re: [ale] What's my job title?

I agree that's an extreme viewpoint.  All of the cases cited were people that had degrees in engineering.  My understanding of the rules here based on the counsel interpretation of law would allow that a person holding a degree in engineering is indeed an engineer.  The licensing would occur if someone wanted to claim PE status rather than just status as an engineer.

On 2017-05-10 08:52, Scott Plante wrote:
> If you can't get to the NYT article, here are a couple of others. Apparently it's not that unusual for Oregon to go after people using the term engineer. 
> 
> http://reason.com/blog/2017/04/26/after-challenging-red-light-cameras-
> oreg 
> http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2017/04/beaverton_man_cla
> ims_oregon_st.html
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
> From: "Alex Carver" <agcarver+ale at acarver.net>
> To: ale at ale.org
> Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 9:19:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [ale] What's my job title? 
> 
> The quote in the bizjournal link is roughly what I see in our 
> documents ("...special knowledge...acquired by engineering 
> education...")
> 
> I can't get to the NY Times link. 
> 
> But, I have to trust our internal counsel on the matter and they seem 
> to be in alignment with NC. California is similar, they use the same 
> "special knowledge" statement.
> 
> On 2017-05-09 17:09, DJ-Pfulio wrote: 
>> Don't claim to be an Engineer in Oregon without a PE. 
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/30/business/traffic-light-fine.html
>>
>> NC's Take on "Engineer" titles: 
>> http://www.bizjournals.com/triad/stories/2004/04/12/focus3.html
>>
>> I tried to stay with reputable sources. 
>>
>> On 05/09/2017 06:42 PM, Alex Carver wrote: 
>>> On 2017-05-09 15:29, DJ-Pfulio wrote: 
>>>> On 05/09/2017 04:01 PM, Alex Carver wrote: 
>>>>> My office-mate does a lot of circuit and mechanical designs for 
>>>>> his work. However his degree is in astrophysics but he isn't 
>>>>> permitted to call himself an engineer because that's technically not his training.
>>>>> The rationale comes from legal requirements. So anyone at work 
>>>>> with an engineering degree can be called an engineer. My 
>>>>> office-mate can call himself scientist or physicist.
>>>>
>>>> Source please. 
>>>
>>> The source is internal employer legal documentation that I wouldn't 
>>> be able to send out. That documentation is based on interpretation 
>>> of various laws by internal counsel. So they say the sheepskin holds 
>>> the title.

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