[ale] OT: Cell Phone recs Was Re: Android secondary security

[Chuck Payne]

WOW, they are going to refund me the $99 back. But since not happy with the
lack of service.



On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 4:41 PM, Lightner, Jeffrey <JLightner at dsservices.com
> wrote:

> I've been using this feature with BofA Visa for several years now (at
> least since the end of 2007).   There is a newer Visa wallet(?) thing BofA
> has started offering but I haven't used it (which I why I don't recall the
> name off the top of my head)
>
> Discover Card had a similar random card number creation but it didn't let
> you set limits or expirations - it was simply an alternate number that
> posted to your real card.   Anyone that hacked that number would be able to
> use it but at least you'd be able to trace the hack back to the one
> merchant to whom you'd provided it originally.   However, Discover got rid
> of it a couple of years back.
>
> I'd read something online last year that made it sound like one of the
> other banks (Chase maybe?) had a similar setup associated with their
> MasterCard but I've not used that one.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of Alex
> Carver
> Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 4:24 PM
> To: ale at ale.org
> Subject: Re: [ale] OT: Cell Phone recs Was Re: Android secondary security
>
> This has been tried many times in the past by various entities.  For
> example, shortly after American Express released their Blue card (circa
> 2001) they gave away card readers to plug into your home computer for the
> chip on the card.  The concept was to facilitate online shopping without
> transmitting your real card number by way of a token generated by the
> card.  The process never really caught on though it might have been a bit
> ahead of its time.
>
> MasterCard at one point in the early 2000's had an online tool to generate
> one-time-use numbers for your card as well.  These did not have
> preprogrammed limits but they expired as soon as they were used.  Again
> this didn't appear to catch on.
>
> Perhaps now that online shopping has exploded in the last few years we'll
> see a return of these features.
>
> On 2017-04-14 07:17, Kyle Brieden wrote:
> > I sincerely believe with every fiber of my being that BoA is one of
> > the worst companies to ever have existed, but that's actually kind of
> cool.
> > It's like using keepass/lastpass for your CC numbers.  I wonder why
> > more banks don't do this?
> >
> > ---
> > Very respectfully,
> > Kyle Brieden
> >
> > On 14-04-2017 09:34, Lightner, Jeffrey wrote:
> >> Further OT but this is why I like Bank of America's Shopsafe.
> >>
> >> Rather than giving people my real credit card number I can give them
> >> a temporary number generated in Shopsafe.
> >>
> >> Moreover I can set a limit and an expiration on the card of as little
> >> as 2 months.   If I expect to pay $33 I might set the limit to $40 to
> >> allow for taxes or other charges not immediately apparent but they
> >> can't charge more than the limit I set.
> >>
> >> Another benefit I like in Shopsafe is that once the temporary number
> >> it has been charged by any one merchant it can't be processed by any
> >> other merchant.   This means if the site I input the number on gets
> >> hacked right after I do the input and the merchant has already
> >> charged me (as is usually the case) the hacker gets nothing for his
> effort.
> >> One can generate multiple Shopsafe numbers to use at different
> >> merchants.
> >>
> >> This is also great for "services" that require you to give them a
> >> card for "automatic renewals".   If you don't want the automatic
> >> renewal you set the Shopsafe number to expire before merchant's
> >> renewal date and the "automatic" will be rejected later.   (Of
> >> course you also set the limit to only allow the one charge so if they
> >> "automatic" on you before the expiration it will also fail.)
>
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