[ale] Recommendations for my next distro?

Jim Kinney jim.kinney at gmail.com
Sun Mar 1 11:32:53 EST 2015

On Mar 1, 2015 11:13 AM, "Damon L. Chesser" <damon at damtek.com> wrote:
> OpenStack is not in competition with VMware.  OPenStack != VMware. They
do share some common ground, overlap if you will, but don't share the same
space in it's entirety. That misconception causes  me no shortage of pain
at my job.
> Ovirt/RHEV = VMware
> and I do run RHEV at work.  It is quite nice and feature-full, though it
is not enterprise ready.  What that means is, it does not cost enough to be
worthy of using in the enterprise.  We will not even bring up the cost of
Ovirt, which is $0 per server, because, as we all know, there is no such
thing as software that costs $0, is there?  And everytime I bring it up, I
lose credibility, seriously.
> Jim what do you mean "PluscI can lock down user access with FreeIPA :-)"
?  What is this Pluscl?

I think it's "additionally with pustulant sores" or else that's a capital I
and it has something to do with a brand of granola?

I seem to be substituting c, v and b for spaces with this new phone and the
larger keyboard.
> On 03/01/2015 09:44 AM, DJ-Pfulio wrote:
>> Nice comparison, thanks!
>> The use of all that java in Redhat enterprise solutions really bothers
>> OTOH, FreeIPA has me really jealous.  For things that should be cross
>> seems odd they won't run on Debian. Might as well stay with AD.
>> I expect that virt-manager would get cumbersome with more than 20
>> systems and 100+ VMs or so. I like that different systems can provide
>> permissions, but dislike that if you can admin 1 VM on the physical
server, then
>> you can admin them all.
>> The VMware enterprise stuff is nice (it should be for those costs!!!!) -
>> because of the migration from release to release isn't usually painful
like it
>> is with openstack (so I hear). Migrations in openstack are ....
>> Basically, you have to build a fresh infra for a new openstack. Seems
like folks
>> would setup a migration hop technique.
>> On 03/01/2015 09:00 AM, Jim Kinney wrote:
>>> Ovirt is large. Very large. It's design is to directly challenge
VMware. So,
>>> yes, very large and designed to be deployed across multiple physical
>>> My grouse with it is the vast amount of java it's written in. But
that's all
>>> only for the web GUI and it's linking to the back end.  The back end is
>>> libvirt :-)
>>> I've used it to setup some developers with the ability to generate a VM
that's a
>>> clone of an existing devel environment with (yuck) Oracle ready to go
for very
>>> specific testing needs then drop it in the trash. As I don't have
control of the
>>> network, I can only setup test VM s with private lan  networking which
I do
>>> control. Ovirt uses spice to provide a console, CLI or X, and the
access is over
>>> the single, public IP. PluscI can lock down user access with FreeIPA :-)
>>> Yeah, that is a security issue having that much java web code. But the
>>> process is designed to run with full SELinux lock down. That does much
>>> mitigate the damage from a break in.
>>> Ovirt is NOT for desktop users to run a few VMs with. Virt-manager does
>>> very well. Ovirt's to run a large collection of VMs that's managed by
>>> admins across multiple servers with large-scale shared storage (NFS is
>>> but iSCSI from a SAN is preferred).
>>> On Mar 1, 2015 8:39 AM, "DJ-Pfulio" <djpfulio at jdpfu.com
>>> <mailto:djpfulio at jdpfu.com>> wrote:
>>>      oVirt seems extremely bloated and complex or do I have that
wrong?  Plus it is
>>>      Redhat-only and uses a website for administration. Running a web
server has
>>>      always seemed the opposite of secure to me, but if you plan to
work in a redhat
>>>      shop, then using this makes 100% sense.
>>>      libvirt + virt-manager is lite/easy in comparison. This method
works for any
>>>      Linux hostOS (major distros) and takes less than 5 min to
install/configure for
>>>      your skill level. You can run a normal desktop on the same machine
>>>      virt-manager or remotely access any libvirt hypervisor system
securely - that is
>>>      built-in and uses ssh (password or key-based).  virt-manager is
like the
>>>      virtualbox or VMware player/workstation GUI, so if you've seen
those, you'll be
>>>      fine.
>>>      Both can use KVM, LXC, Xen, and a few others (that won't be named)
and can run
>>>      any OS you like (almost). Some people have OS/2 v4 running inside
a VM, if
>>>      that's your desire. ;)
>>>      Or .... if you want web admin, take a look at proxmox. It is very
mature and
>>>      provides KVM and openvz containers. OTOH, it takes over the
physical machine
>>>      completely. Don't think you can run a desktop on the host. Lots of
places have
>>>      been running proxmox servers quietly for years.
>>>      On 03/01/2015 08:20 AM, Jim Kinney wrote:
>>>      > Look at Fedora or CentOS and play with Ovirt and FreeIPA. Those
>>>      > projects have a GUI yet the CLI behind the scenes is massively
>>>      >
>>>      > Fedora 21 has a server version and CentOS 7 has a desktop
>>>      >
>>>      > Then there's the docker minimalist version of each that's all
>>>      >
>>>      > If you have the hardware for virtualization, load Ovirt as a
standalone on
>>>      > CentOS 7 and load up a zillion VMs to test/play with. Then you
can test
>>>      > every distro!
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