[ale] systemd or not

Fri Sep 5 10:50:12 EDT 2014

Every time "things change" in a major way, there's much wailing and
gnashing of teeth. Some people still use systems that have no package
manager. Some are still using kernel 2.1.x series. Linux users are lucky in
that they do have choices. Why are all of the major distros jumping on
systemd? Because it solves a host of issues with all the prior ways. Unlike
the techweek grumbler, there is no binary database of proprietary
configurations parameters, i.e. a Windows-style registry. There are the
usual text files, linked in an initially confusing manner but is actually
self-sufficiently logical once studied objectively.

I am by no means proficient at it but I use it daily. Some new commands are
needed, chiefly systemctl, but it makes things better. Much better. I had
an issue with NFS on a CentOS7 server. Thanks to systemctl status I was
able to see quickly that the port 2049 it needed to attach to for NFSv4 was
already in use (from a prior run that broke due to fat fingering). Just
having the last several lines of the log show up on a status run is
fantastic.

+1 for systemd.

On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Michael Trausch <mike at trausch.us> wrote:

> Will explain later---but you WANT systemd. Really. It's much, MUCH more
> efficient. And allows you to have a 4 package system, essentially. And
> makes a lot of sense to work with once you get to know it well.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Sep 5, 2014, at 8:30 AM, James Sumners <james.sumners at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I stopped using Arch Linux because they forced systemd on us (me). I'm
> > thoroughly disappointed that the next release of Debian is also forcing a
> > move to it. But, really, they don't have an option:
> >
> > "In November 2012, the GNOME Project concluded that basic GNOME
> > functionality should not rely on systemd.[16]
> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#cite_note-16> However, in
> > contradiction of this statement, GNOME 3.8 introduced a *de facto*
> dependency
> > on systemd by introducing session management behaviors which depend on
> how
> > systemd operates. While the developers of Gentoo Linux
> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentoo_Linux>attempted to adapt these
> changes
> > in OpenRC <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenRC>, the implementation
> > contained too many bugs, causing the distribution to mark systemd as a
> > dependency of GNOME." --
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#GNOME_integration
> >
> > So, a distribution either _doesn't_ include GNOME (no loss in my opinion,
> > but people do like it), or it includes GNOME at the cost of also having
> to
> > include systemd.
> >
> > What it comes down to is the developers of systemd. This package is
> brought
> > to you by the same person who gave us the wonderfully useless and awful
> > Pulse Audio system. And his cohorts routinely draw the ire of others:
> >
> > https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/4/2/420
> > https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=76935 (whole thing is worth
> > reading for much enlightenment)
> >
> > So, we have a project run by people who like to force their software onto
> > others by getting it included as a non-optional dependency who then go on
> > to not give a damn about what their bugs break or whom they affect. Now,
> > they want to take over the whole damn system --
> >
> http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html
> >
> > I agree with the "systemd is a trojan" statement. I very much agree with
> it.
> >
> >
> >> On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Boris Borisov <bugyatl at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
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> > --
> > James Sumners
> > http://james.roomfullofmirrors.com/
> >
> > "All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts pathological
> > personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it is magnetic to
> the
> > corruptible. Such people have a tendency to become drunk on violence, a
> > condition to which they are quickly addicted."
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