[ale] systemd or not

[James Sumners]

Not sure why that would have hit ale-bounces. I just checked, and my
subscription is still active...

I know RHEL7 uses systemd. Outside of work, I don't use RHEL. So they can
basically do whatever they want and I'll just deal with it for the pay
check.


On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Lightner, Jeff <JLightner at dsservices.com>
wrote:

> RHEL7 also uses systemd.
>
> From everything I've seen systemd is the way the Linux world has been
> going for a while now so fighting it is a losing battle.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of James
> Sumners
> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 8:31 AM
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [ale] systemd or not
>
> I stopped using Arch Linux because they forced systemd on us (me). I'm
> thoroughly disappointed that the next release of Debian is also forcing a
> move to it. But, really, they don't have an option:
>
> "In November 2012, the GNOME Project concluded that basic GNOME
> functionality should not rely on systemd.[16] <
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#cite_note-16> However, in
> contradiction of this statement, GNOME 3.8 introduced a *de facto*
> dependency on systemd by introducing session management behaviors which
> depend on how systemd operates. While the developers of Gentoo Linux <
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentoo_Linux>attempted to adapt these
> changes in OpenRC <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenRC>, the
> implementation contained too many bugs, causing the distribution to mark
> systemd as a dependency of GNOME." --
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#GNOME_integration
>
> So, a distribution either _doesn't_ include GNOME (no loss in my opinion,
> but people do like it), or it includes GNOME at the cost of also having to
> include systemd.
>
> What it comes down to is the developers of systemd. This package is
> brought to you by the same person who gave us the wonderfully useless and
> awful Pulse Audio system. And his cohorts routinely draw the ire of others:
>
> https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/4/2/420
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=76935 (whole thing is worth
> reading for much enlightenment)
>
> So, we have a project run by people who like to force their software onto
> others by getting it included as a non-optional dependency who then go on
> to not give a damn about what their bugs break or whom they affect. Now,
> they want to take over the whole damn system --
> http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html
>
> I agree with the "systemd is a trojan" statement. I very much agree with
> it.
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Boris Borisov <bugyatl at gmail.com> wrote:
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-- 
James Sumners
http://james.roomfullofmirrors.com/

"All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts pathological
personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it is magnetic to the
corruptible. Such people have a tendency to become drunk on violence, a
condition to which they are quickly addicted."

Missionaria Protectiva, Text QIV (decto)
CH:D 59
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