[ale] Debian fork thoughts?

[Wolf Halton]

Does this systemd vs init controversy actually lead out to anything
useful?  I reboot my laptop a lot and I have never pined away for a faster
boot time.  Ubuntu Studio 14.04LTS  seems to be running both daemons, but
starting with init.

me at telcontar-2:~$ pgrep init
1
2606
3780
me at telcontar-2:~$ pgrep systemd
373
1047
me at telcontar-2:~$ uname -a
Linux telcontar-2 3.13.0-41-lowlatency #70-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT Tue Nov 25
15:07:35 UTC 2014 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux

When I was running a lot of Debian systems, I hardly ever rebooted any of
them, except lab environment hosts.  I have never seen a kernel panic,
except on my laptop, where I beta test stuff.  I am running Fedora VMs and
have not felt that the systemd initialization was much faster than any
other initiation system.


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On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 7:22 PM, Solomon Peachy <pizza at shaftnet.org> wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 06:51:26PM -0500, James Sumners wrote:
> > Really? I'll let the comments on [1] do most of the talking. I wanted to
> > link the article that post is about, but the article author changed the
> > content. It originally detailed how you'd have to install systemd to
> > install Jessie, and then jump through some hoops to get it removed after
> OS
> > install.
>
> Systemd is *default* in Jessie, so of course it's installed and running
> unless you say otherwise; but it's not intended to be automatically
> enabled if you're upgrading an older system -- if it happens, file a
> bug, that's what release freezes are for!
>
> So, if you don't like systemd to be running, turn it off and uninstall
> (most of) it -- It's a simple apt-get command.
>
> Continuing on, If you are objecting to libraries remaining on the hard
> disk, you might as well be complaining that you need e2fsprogs installed
> when you don't have any ext2/3/4 filesystems -- because the libaries are
> used by other tools and it had to be enabled at compile time or not at
> all.
>
> Sure, one could mangle everything to load every potential feature and
> dependency at runtime, but that's a lot of work to save a couple hunded
> kilobytes of disk space at a time.  You're welcome to do it if it means
> that much to you; I'm sure deb package maintainers will happily accept
> patches.  Otherwise everyone has much has better things to do.  Like
> knocking out actual bugs in Jessie.
>
>  - Solomon
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