[ale] Monitoring (Was "Todays trends")
Tim Watts
tim at cliftonfarm.org
Wed Oct 9 22:54:06 EDT 2013
Actually, I think it's 70 years in the US -- which is still wildly
unreasonable.
I saw a picture somewhere a few years ago of the Sonny Bono Memorial
Park -- he's the hack who extended copyright on behalf of his
paymasters, er constituents. Fittingly enough, it's a tiny little park
completely enclosed by an iron fence with a locked gate. Nobody can
enter it without permission.
On Wed, 2013-10-09 at 20:33 -0500, John Heim wrote:
> It's 95 years after the death of the author. His/her heirs get to
> retain the copyright for like forever.
>
> On 10/09/2013 04:40 PM, Scott Plante wrote:
>
> > They just bump up the limit whenever early Mickey Mouse copyrights
> > get close to expiring. I believe they're at 95 years now, which is
> > more than long enough to take care of the authors/creators for their
> > lifetimes assuming they're not small children when they create the
> > copyrighted works.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > Sent from my tablet.
> >
> > On Oct 9, 2013, at 5:28 PM, "Lightner, Jeff" <JLightner at water.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > > I recall the Ballantine Books copy I had back in the 70s contained
> > > a blurb on the back written by JRR saying something along the
> > > lines of “Those who approve of courtesy (to a living author at
> > > least) should by this version and no other.” Which always made me
> > > think someone else was publishing his books because he’d let the
> > > copyright lapse.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I have heard discussion that Copyrights in Europe are far longer
> > > than the US and we’re getting the longer Copyrights for some
> > > things to be more congruent with them.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf
> > > Of Jim Kinney
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 5:05 PM
> > > To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
> > > Subject: Re: [ale] Monitoring (Was "Todays trends")
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Excellent! That is what I am looking for. did not know the
> > > history.
> > >
> > >
> > > The tolkien family is a bit nutty. Shouldn't that book series be
> > > out of copyright by now?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Chris Ricker
> > > <chris.ricker at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Xymon (previously hobbit) is the open source replacement /
> > > successor to Big Brother. http://xymon.sourceforge.net/
> > >
> > > It started out as a patch addon to speed up BB, back in the days
> > > when BB was not quite free software but did provide source code.
> > > After Quest closed the BB source (even for paid licensees such as
> > > yours truly who were running it on hardware they refused to
> > > provide binaries for --way to honor that license, Quest!) hobbit
> > > evolved into its own thing and most of the developer community
> > > around BB went with it. Then the Tolkien family came after it, so
> > > now it's Xymon....
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 10/9/13 1:42 PM, Jim Kinney wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > http://communities.quest.com/community/big-brother?view=overview#/?tagSet=1217
> > >
> > >
> > > Looks like BB is $0. It is certainly NOT open source.
> > > compiled binaries for many platforms.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Jim Kinney
> > > <jim.kinney at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Big Brother's background color was a simple and brilliant
> > > way to show overall health. Big Sister, the FLOSS BB
> > > rewrite, never managed to hit critical mass but made it to
> > > a 1.0+ release in 2006. BB is still around after being
> > > acquired by Quest (and now Dell has Quest it appears?) but
> > > is no longer "free". It never was FLOSS.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Nagios configuration is convoluted. Don't like it.
> > > _REALLY_ want some solid logic to add besides time and
> > > pester-me counts. If this AND this but NOT this then flag
> > > once and don't page until this followed by this however if
> > > this AND this AND this page NOW (yeah - good luck with
> > > that).
> > >
> > >
> > > I been a consumer of Zabbix and found it a better layout
> > > that nagios. An install of zabbix is soon in my future.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Jerald Sheets
> > > <questy at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Oct 9, 2013, at 7:45 AM, "Lightner, Jeff"
> > > <JLightner at water.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > So the issue wasn't Nagios - it was the folks managing
> > > it.
> > > >
> > > > Nagios is a great tool and we use it in Production.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'll bite. Nobody better to discuss with than the ALE
> > > family…
> > >
> > >
> > > So, I hate Nagios. Can't express how much I dislike the
> > > product, the layout of the alerting, the lack of a
> > > comprehensive, easy to see and understand dashboard with
> > > easily managed/administered acknowledgements, mobile
> > > accessibility, automation, escalation paging… you name it.
> > >
> > > Now, before you freak out, I know it's all in there, but I
> > > personally find it markedly difficult to find all this
> > > stuff in the way Nagios has decided to lay everything out.
> > >
> > >
> > > Is this just a "me" thing? Is it because my earliest and
> > > most often used monitoring stuff is from a "Big Brother"
> > > background? (BB, Hobbit, Xymon, Foglight, Spotlight)
> > >
> > >
> > > What's the general landscape of monitoring tools and
> > > utilities in use out there?
> > >
> > >
> > > --Jerald
> > >
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> > > Every time you stop a school, you will have to build a jail. What
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