[ale] asp user learning php?

Fri Mar 8 19:29:06 EST 2013

Well then, this is REALLY not an answer to the question as asked, but I'll
going to say it anyway. Now is a bad time to learn php. I did professional
php for 10 years. I worked at Yahoo! I had folks like Rasmus Lerdorf and
Jeremy Zawodny as peers. So, I'm not just a basher.

However, after learning Python and getting involved in that community I can
tell you that the quality of code developed in each are vastly unequal.
Python encourages better coding. Php is now often a case of the blind
leading the blind. Just saying you are a php developer gets you looked down
upon by many employers and developers with a computer science background. I
would not change the choice I made in 1999, but I wouldn't make it again
today.

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--Richard Bronosky
On Mar 8, 2013 10:46 AM, "Lightner, Jeff" <JLightner at water.com> wrote:

>  Not only did neither of you answer the question as asked you ignored
> part of what I wrote:****
>
> “I’m not asking for someone to Google for this – I’m asking people that
> know both ways of doing things what resources they’d recommend.”
>
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> I really wish everyone would actually read entire posts before responding
> with the assumption that the poster has never heard of Google.****
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> To second what John has said, I'd say the same thing.  PHP was the first
> thing I learned (beyond HTML and CSS) and other than some JavaSript / AJAX
> - still really the only thing I know 8 years later because I certainly
> haven't lacked employment since getting good at it.  But I taught it all to
> myself using Google, examples from other projects, and specific questions.
>  I too just use a Text Editor (TextWrangler - great FTP integration).  ***
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> The nice thing is that he has a good understanding of programming so what
> I would suggest him to do is think of how he would do it in ASP and then
> Google the question in PHP.  He'll catch on real, real quick.  So for
> example, he might know how to do a WHILE loop, or a MsSQL select statement
> in ASP and I would just Google "while loop in php" or "MySQL select in PHP"
> and he'll learn a lot better that way.  PHP.net is a great resource and
> really well documented.  In addition StackOverflow is a great place for
> answers.  But I never go to either of them directly, just via Google.****
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> I don't know if ASP is object-oriented or procedural - but no matter what
> his background he should have a good foundation to transfer it over with
> the right questions and Google.****
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> On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 9:06 AM, John Heim <john at johnheim.net> wrote:****
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> Well, at the risk of committing the sin of not answering the question, if
> it was my friend, I'd tell him to just google it. That's all I did when I
> switched from ASP to php and I'm blind. I would think someone with vision
> would find it even easier to learn by studying examples on-line. I don't
> think finding a book is going to make it any easier, just more tedious.
>
> I don't have any advice wrt integrated development environment. I only
> wish I did. I do all my coding in TexpPad, a plain old text editor. But I
> haven't found an IDE that works well with a screen reader. If I had a lot
> of money I'd just keep buying them until I found one that works. About 5
> years ago, I spent about $100 on 3 different ones and couldn't figure any
> of them out.****
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> On 3/8/2013 7:19 AM, Lightner, Jeff wrote:****
>
>  I have a friend that does web design using asp that wants to start going
> the open source route.
>
> He specifically asked me about learning php and I have loaned him an
> O’Reilly book that talks about php, MySQL and one other thing as well as
> my Apache book.   I had those but really don’t do web design myself.
>
> Are there any good recommendations for what to look at to get up to
> speed on php if one is used to asp?
>
> Specifically he’d asked me if there is a design environment like that
> for asp so he doesn’t have to do everything in text editors.   Since I’m
> not familiar with asp I’m not sure what environment he is speaking of
> but thought someone on this list might.
>
> I’m not asking for someone to Google for this – I’m asking people that
> know both ways of doing things what resources they’d recommend.
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