[ale] asp user learning php?

Fri Mar 8 12:19:47 EST 2013

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On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com> wrote:

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> On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Lightner, Jeff <JLightner at water.com>wrote:
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>>  Not only did neither of you answer the question as asked you ignored
>> part of what I wrote:****
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>> “I’m not asking for someone to Google for this – I’m asking people that
>> know both ways of doing things what resources they’d recommend.”
>>
>> ****
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>> I really wish everyone would actually read entire posts before responding
>> with the assumption that the poster has never heard of Google.
>>
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> But, but, but
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> at least 60% of the ALE posts could be answered through a decent Google
> search. The rest are mostly "what do you think of this <strange
> configuration I'm setting up without reading Google first>". Occasionally
> someone posts a politically hot topic and gets a few days of crap out of
> people. And I no longer pay any attention to those unless it's getting
> nasty and I think it needs to cool down.
>
>
> PHP and ASP are totally different philosophies of reaching the same end
> goal. There are no shortcuts. Just jump in and do it. For happy syntax
> coloring, any modern version of vim, emacs will do it from cli. Want a gui?
> Look at bluefish. It's specifically for web coding.
>
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>> *From:* ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] *On Behalf Of *Andy
>> Borgmann
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 08, 2013 9:16 AM
>> *To:* Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
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>> *Subject:* Re: [ale] asp user learning php?****
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>> To second what John has said, I'd say the same thing.  PHP was the first
>> thing I learned (beyond HTML and CSS) and other than some JavaSript / AJAX
>> - still really the only thing I know 8 years later because I certainly
>> haven't lacked employment since getting good at it.  But I taught it all to
>> myself using Google, examples from other projects, and specific questions.
>>  I too just use a Text Editor (TextWrangler - great FTP integration).  **
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>> The nice thing is that he has a good understanding of programming so what
>> I would suggest him to do is think of how he would do it in ASP and then
>> Google the question in PHP.  He'll catch on real, real quick.  So for
>> example, he might know how to do a WHILE loop, or a MsSQL select statement
>> in ASP and I would just Google "while loop in php" or "MySQL select in PHP"
>> and he'll learn a lot better that way.  PHP.net is a great resource and
>> really well documented.  In addition StackOverflow is a great place for
>> answers.  But I never go to either of them directly, just via Google.****
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>> I don't know if ASP is object-oriented or procedural - but no matter what
>> his background he should have a good foundation to transfer it over with
>> the right questions and Google.****
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>> "*Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct,
>> rebuke and encourage - with great patience and careful instruction.*" -
>> 2Timothy 4:2****
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>> On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 9:06 AM, John Heim <john at johnheim.net> wrote:****
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>> Well, at the risk of committing the sin of not answering the question, if
>> it was my friend, I'd tell him to just google it. That's all I did when I
>> switched from ASP to php and I'm blind. I would think someone with vision
>> would find it even easier to learn by studying examples on-line. I don't
>> think finding a book is going to make it any easier, just more tedious.
>>
>> I don't have any advice wrt integrated development environment. I only
>> wish I did. I do all my coding in TexpPad, a plain old text editor. But I
>> haven't found an IDE that works well with a screen reader. If I had a lot
>> of money I'd just keep buying them until I found one that works. About 5
>> years ago, I spent about $100 on 3 different ones and couldn't figure any
>> of them out.****
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>> On 3/8/2013 7:19 AM, Lightner, Jeff wrote:****
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>>  I have a friend that does web design using asp that wants to start going
>> the open source route.
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>> He specifically asked me about learning php and I have loaned him an
>> O’Reilly book that talks about php, MySQL and one other thing as well as
>> my Apache book.   I had those but really don’t do web design myself.
>>
>> Are there any good recommendations for what to look at to get up to
>> speed on php if one is used to asp?
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>> Specifically he’d asked me if there is a design environment like that
>> for asp so he doesn’t have to do everything in text editors.   Since I’m
>> not familiar with asp I’m not sure what environment he is speaking of
>> but thought someone on this list might.
>>
>> I’m not asking for someone to Google for this – I’m asking people that
>> know both ways of doing things what resources they’d recommend.
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