[ale] OT Fwd: Dc404-Chat New smart locks for your home

Wed Jun 19 12:39:25 EDT 2013

I sold all that stuff long ago to buy more hardware. Converting diamonds
into systems make theft a back breaking business :-)
On Jun 19, 2013 12:30 PM, "Pete Hardie" <pete.hardie at gmail.com> wrote:

> That's my big worry about wireless unlock capability - it makes it hard to
> prove it was a burglary.  There was a concern a few years ago about lock
> bumping, not so much that it was any easier to get into a house, but that
> it made it look like it was not a burglary, but rather the owner trying to
> defraud insurance companies.
>
> If someone can get my lock to open without breaking it or the door, they
> can steal small stuff for a long time.  How often do you/your wife look in
> the jewelry box for the heirloom watch/brooch that you only wear on special
> occasions?
>
>
> Pete Hardie
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> On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Scott Plante <splante at insightsys.com>wrote:
>
>> Although you have to keep things in perspective--given how terribly easy
>> it is to pick most residential key locks, you're probably not losing any
>> security by using one of these things. Also, given how easy it is to kick
>> in a door or break/cut a window, in addition to the lock picking, home door
>> locks mostly serve to keep out the honest and the naughty neighbor kids,
>> and to raise the charge to "breaking and entering" over simple trespass.
>>
>> People sometimes complain about the weak locks on the little fire
>> safes--a good lock is no use when you can pick up the entire safe and take
>> it away with you. They just serve to keep the safe closed when the shelf
>> it's on burns and it tumbles to the floor.
>>
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>> *From: *"Ron Frazier (ALE)" <atllinuxenthinfo at techstarship.com>
>> *To: *"ALE" <ale at ale.org>
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:01:59 AM
>> *Subject: *[ale] OT Fwd: Dc404-Chat New smart locks for your home
>>
>> Hi Guys,
>>
>> I'm cross posting this from the dc-404 group because I thought you'd like
>> to see it.  If not, blame me, not Keith.
>>
>> Steve Gibson says most anything that merges security with radio waves is
>> a bad idea.  I think cheap home rf based locks are a bad idea.  Of course,
>> if you pay $ 500, then the developer might go to the trouble to put in
>> fairly air tight security.  But, what if you pay $ 50?  Then, it's more
>> questionable.  Also, the hacker might have to be "fairly" close to capture
>> your signal, but 200 feet away with a directional antenna might be close
>> enough.
>>
>> We routinely use garage door openers.  I've heard of those rf signals
>> being hijacked, but it's probably not too common.  As Keith mentioned,
>> there have been cases lately where thieves are somehow triggering cars to
>> unlock their doors without having the factory key.  That's one reason I
>> don't like a proximity based car key.  If you have that, they could hack it
>> and not only get in the car, but also start the engine.
>>
>> Steve also reported a few months ago about a hack where bad guys could
>> use the tire pressure monitoring system to play with the car's electrical
>> system and potentially cause accidents.
>>
>>
>> I don't want to even get started on rf based credit cards.  Steve's been
>> reporting on various cases of those being abused again.  If I get one of
>> those, I'm sending it back or zapping it in the microwave oven.  I wonder
>> if that would destroy the magnetic strip.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Ron
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> From: "Watson, Keith" <krwatson at cc.gatech.edu>
>> Sent: Wed Jun 19 08:42:15 EDT 2013
>> To: "dc404-chat at lists.kaos.to" <dc404-chat at lists.kaos.to>
>> Subject: [Dc404-Chat] New smart locks for your home
>>
>> When was the last time a new product got security right out the door
>> (pardon the pun)? Hotel keycards and burglars entering cars without a key
>> come to mind. Several of the products practically admitted they aren't
>> secure by basing them on Bluetooth. It is possible to have a secure
>> Bluetooth based product but I can't think of one.
>>
>> Your Door Is About to Get Clever: 5 Smart Locks Compared
>> http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2013/06/smart-locks/
>>
>> http://preview.tinyurl.com/k869hr9
>>
>> keith
>>
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