[ale] Well, this does nothing for the reputation of Linux
Greg Clifton
gccfof5 at gmail.com
Mon Jul 22 12:33:34 EDT 2013
Well, Ford and GM have said they will have "autonomous-mobiles" as I call
them commercially available within 5 years. The hold up will be
legal/insurance hurdles as the article mentions, not technical issues.
Technically it should be possible within 5-10 years, just don't pickle your
liver during the wait ;-)
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com> wrote:
> A. Not fast enough to suit me
> B. The congress critters have a long way to go to catch up on making the
> legal environment work right - i.e., can the automated car legally drive me
> home from the pub after I've had to much to drink or is it STILL going to
> require a human to be "at the wheel". if so it defeats the purpose.
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Greg Clifton <gccfof5 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> And, hijacking the thread, spring boarding from Jim's post..."Cars are
>> bad because there are dumb drivers. The solution is to get rid of the
>> drivers. A system whose failure causes human tragedy should be fixed."
>>
>> That problem IS being addressed:
>>
>> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324399404578585471713734296.html?KEYWORDS=horsless+carriages+driverless+cars
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Cars are bad because there are dumb drivers. The solution is to get rid
>>> of the drivers. A system whose failure causes human tragedy should be fixed.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 9:54 AM, leam hall <leamhall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ah, so you're saying that cars are bad because there are dumb drivers
>>>> that can't replace an engine?
>>>>
>>>> Is there bad code written in PHP? Sure. Same for Python, Perl,
>>>> C(++/sharp) etc. Don't blame the language for the users.
>>>>
>>>> Leam
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Michael B. Trausch <mbt at naunetcorp.com
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 07/21/2013 04:44 PM, Andy Borgmann wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Where do you see this being a PHP non-security. It sounds like it was
>>>>> an updated version of vBulletin's admin panel that had a security flaw.
>>>>> Even if vBulletin is coded in PHP, I don't see why blaming PHP as a whole
>>>>> is warranted in this case and not just vBulletin. PHP seems secure enough
>>>>> or Facebook.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Some points:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Facebook does not run the official PHP, they run a subset of it
>>>>> that is then compiled, if memory serves, to C++ and then compiled to system
>>>>> code.
>>>>> 2. PHP itself is insecure for *many* reasons, the least of which:
>>>>> 1. PHP has never deprecated functionality that is known-unsafe,
>>>>> given the average experience of the PHP-only programmer; for example, SQL
>>>>> injection attacks are pandemic in PHP code not because it's any less safe
>>>>> than C, but because it is just as safe as C and PHP-only programmers don't
>>>>> have perspective from which to draw from to secure their own code. This
>>>>> flaw could be fixed in PHP by removing functions that permit it; in my
>>>>> book, that makes it a PHP flaw (it's easier to fix PHP than it would be to
>>>>> fix all PHP programmers).
>>>>> 2. PHP has a large number of pseudoprogrammers that work with
>>>>> it. These people are mostly management types that found that they can
>>>>> quickly piece together a PHP script and make it do something useful. These
>>>>> people have no background in security, information technology, information
>>>>> systems or any similar such topic. They often C&P pathologically, and the
>>>>> systems that they create are swiss cheese from a security perspective.
>>>>> Again, this is something that can be fixed in PHP, by ensuring that
>>>>> variables that come from the user are always represented in a canonical
>>>>> format and that outputs are properly escaped.
>>>>> 3. PHP has a large number of what I call "auto-fsck-you"
>>>>> features built-in to it that most people do not understand. One such
>>>>> example is PHP's associative arrays, which are really integer arrays. The
>>>>> reason that integers and string keys can both be used in PHP in the same
>>>>> array is that they share the same namespace; a very large sequential array
>>>>> is quite likely to clash with the hashed namespace used for string keys.
>>>>> Fun, yes? And that's just one example.
>>>>>
>>>>> I could go on for pages, but there are many others who have done so at
>>>>> length; I won't reinvent the wheel here. I can say, though, that a quick
>>>>> review of US-CERT data shows that PHP and applications written in it are
>>>>> still among the most common of security problems—even in systems written by
>>>>> professional programmers.
>>>>> --
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> *
> *Every time you stop a school, you will have to build a jail. What you
> gain at one end you lose at the other. It's like feeding a dog on his own
> tail. It won't fatten the dog.
> - Speech 11/23/1900 Mark Twain
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