[ale] Suse

Wed Jan 30 16:14:03 EST 2013

So.... you doing the gentoo talk or not :-)
On Jan 30, 2013 4:07 PM, "Jeff Hubbs" <jhubbslist at att.net> wrote:

>  Fine, just have CFLAGS="-march=native -O3 -pipe" in your make.conf
> followed by emerge -e world (although it would be safer to start with
> emerge -e system, make sure the build system still works, then emerge -e
> world), come back in a while, and you're there.
>
> I have long maintained that people are missing the point when they get all
> hung up about the compiling when it comes to Gentoo.  And practically no
> one who disses it works with it a lot.  I just like having a stripped-down
> distro that I can build up to where I want it as opposed to cut down to
> where I want it, with a robust and highly adjustable packaging system,
> where the packages are not far removed from the upstream maintainers'
> intent and current versions (in some cases, *future* versions).
>
> For the most part, the only time the compiling is really significant
> time-wise is when you're putting in or updating the big stuff, like gcc,
> xorg, Firefox, LibreOffice (and for those last two and some others, there
> is a binary-only package available).  If you run a Gentoo house, you tend
> to build up an instance to some point that you like (basically an X-less
> setup prepared for your infrastructure, e.g., NTP, LDAP, and sshd already
> set up), tarball it off, and push that tarball onto the next machine(s) you
> want to stand up.  And if you still find yourself waiting too long for
> compiles, fine - give yourself a little (or big) distcc infrastructure.
>
> I've used Gentoo for something like a dozen years and I learned how to put
> up very nice and capable systems using it.  I've run it on everything from
> VIA-based thin clients to i586es to Suns to 8-way 26-disk monsters.  I have
> a file server, a video ripper, and a couple other machines running it here
> at home, two at school, and an instance in VirtualBox in my MacBook.  They
> are my Swiss Army knives,my Porsches, and my nunchucks. :)  They let me
> make the most out of most any hardware, old or new, I can get my hands on.
>
>
> It was my hope at one point that I could teach some guys what I'd learned
> but that opportunity never materialized and I left the industry instead (I
> got away from Microsoft hegemony only to land in a Red Hat one); at least I
> can make use of my Gentoo capabilities in my new line of work as needed
> without being given a lot of crap about it.
>
> On 1/30/13 8:04 AM, Jim Kinney wrote:
>
> It got the list to wake up :D
>
> If the emerge process involved a -O3 setting on compilation I would say
> gentoo provided value over other methods. As it is it merely provides
> source distribution for end user compilation. So I get more work with the
> same outcome. I can get similar performance with binary package
> installation from any reasonably managed distro.
>
> All that said, I'm now having fantasies of an -O3 iteratively compiled
> gcc/glibc HPC platform.
>
> and fantasies of the budget to buy the hardware to run it on :-}  I'm
> thinking four 16 core 2.8GHz Opterons with 1TB RAM would be a good starting
> point.
>
> Sigh
> On Jan 30, 2013 12:13 AM, "Jeff Hubbs" <jhubbslist at att.net> wrote:
>
>>  Sigh, people *still* busting on Gentoo.  Shame.
>>
>> On 1/29/13 5:55 PM, Jim Kinney wrote:
>>
>> Yep!
>> RHEL/CentOS for work and for people who want to do things _with_ the
>> computer not just _to_ it.
>> Fedora for home and work and testing next-gen technologies (with rawhide
>> for the brave and sleep-deprived)
>>
>> Ubuntu for wasting time with children who don't know what goes on under
>> the hood and don't care.
>> Gentoo for people with really good mental health care coverage.
>> Slackware for people that can't get past 1993.
>>
>> And Gnome3 and Unity for totally irritating nearly everyone.
>>
>> :D
>>
>>  On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Chuck Payne <terrorpup at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Matthew,
>>>
>>> FYI, the ALE group is more of a Debian/Ubutu group mainly. I think
>>> those that use RHEK only use it with work.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Ha! If it runs SuSE, it'll run RHEL (faster :-) and probably crash
>>> canonical
>>> > servers attempting an update
>>> >
>>> > <ducks and runs>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Matthew <simontek at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> That's why I shared.  Plus give you ammo for a rhel/suse fight
>>> >>
>>> >> On Jan 29, 2013 4:57 PM, "Beddingfield, Allen" <allen at ua.edu> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> As one of the resident SUSE fanatics, that makes me smile :)
>>> >>> Allen B.
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> Allen Beddingfield
>>> >>> Systems Engineer
>>> >>> The University of Alabama
>>> >>>
>>> >>> From: Matthew <simontek at gmail.com<mailto:simontek at gmail.com>>
>>> >>> Reply-To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org<mailto:ale at ale.org
>>> >>
>>> >>> Date: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 3:29 PM
>>> >>> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org<mailto:ale at ale.org>>
>>> >>> Subject: [ale] Suse
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I know one of you guys is a Suse fan, so figured to share this:
>>> >>> http://ampex.com/ts-prod-fam.html
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
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>>> >
>>> >
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>>
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>> James P. Kinney III
>> *
>> *Every time you stop a school, you will have to build a jail. What you
>> gain at one end you lose at the other. It's like feeding a dog on his own
>> tail. It won't fatten the dog.
>> - Speech 11/23/1900 Mark Twain
>> *
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>> http://heretothereideas.blogspot.com/
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