[ale] Forbes trashes Micro$soft
Jay Lozier
jslozier at gmail.com
Fri Jan 4 11:43:18 EST 2013
One key difference between Unity and Metro is that I can replace Unity
with something else on Ubuntu or use a Ubuntu based distro (my choice)
while with Metro I am basically stuck because M$ has not see fit to
allow users to chose a default setting they like. One of the reviewers
on Distrowatch basically did what the video was trying to do with Metro
and concluded Unity was a functional DE even if he personally disliked
it. My take on Unity is similar; it is functional but not the DE I want
to use (I prefer Cinnamon). So if I get a computer with Ubuntu installed
I do not have to trash the OS to make better suited to me; I just
install Cinnamon and move on.
On 01/04/2013 10:54 AM, Ron Frazier (ALE) wrote:
> Hi Jay, and all,
>
> As you all know from my other posts, I'm a Windows user. I have been,
> forever, since it's been in existence. It was what came with your
> computer, or just about the only option to upgrade a DOS machine, back
> in the day. It was there, it ran the system, generally did the job,
> generally worked, and generally stayed out of my way. If it can help
> me do what I need to do, so much the better. The main things I want
> the OS to do is run the computer, stay out of my way, and make the
> features of the system available and accessible to me. Even though I
> like Windows and use Windows OK, I am not a fan in the sense of a
> fanatic screaming at a football game. It's there. It does what I
> need most of the time. It allows me to use the PC to get NON TRIVIAL
> work done. I routinely have 50 browser tabs open and, sometimes, 6 or
> more windows open on the screen. I neither love it, nor hate it.
>
> I've been a Ubuntu user since 10.04 (2010), I think. So, for the last
> couple of years, I could say the same things about Ubuntu. I try to
> keep my computers functionally identical or close to the same no
> matter which OS they're booted into. I can do 90% of all the same
> stuff whether I'm running Windows or Ubuntu at any given time. I can
> still have lots of Firefox tabs open. I can still have 50 browser
> tabs open and 6 windows open. Right now, I'm typing this on my Vista
> machine. Right next to me, the other machine is booted into a Ubuntu
> live CD and yesterday that one was running 4 terminal windows doing
> badblocks tests on 4 separate HDD's. All the while, I could browse
> the web, write email (if I enter the credentials while the live CD is
> running), write documents, etc. I like Ubuntu OK. I neither love it,
> nor hate it.
>
> I will acknowledge and do appreciate the benefits of a free software
> culture that you guys rave on about. I will also acknowledge that I
> don't like the cost of Windows.
>
> So, I neither love nor hate Windows; and I neither love nor hate
> Ubuntu. They're tools. I use them to get things done, and sometimes
> have fun.
>
> UNTIL ...
>
> Unity!
>
> and
>
> Metro!
>
> I can now comfortably say, having used Unity for less than a few hours
> in the last year, that I hate it; and that I won't use it, unless I'm
> forced to kicking and screaming from a live CD, etc. In fact, every
> time I use it, I find myself saying I hate this, I hate this. (Yes, I
> know I can change it. At least that's an option.)
>
> And, you wouldn't expect to hear ME saying this ...
>
> I can now comfortably say, NEVER HAVING USED WINDOWS 8 AT ALL, BASED
> SOLELY ON HEARSAY, that I hate Windows 8, and solemnly plan NEVER to
> use it in its current form as long as I have a choice.
>
> (I think it can support multiple windows in the Desktop "mode",
> contrary to a quote in the video, but it's far from obvious.)
>
> That video was amazing, and mind boggling, and it NAILS it! I do wish
> he'd avoid the foul language, but he NAILS it.
>
> This is the most incredible epic fail I've ever seen of a business
> ticking off a very large percentage of it's core customers.
>
> It is also the most incredible epic fail I've ever seen of a business
> throwing PRODUCTIVE COMPUTER USERS under the bus. YES, there are far
> more consumers out there than heavy producers of content, but SOMEBODY
> has to produce it! Somebody has to do video editing, sound track
> mixing, simulations, server administration, weather analysis, etc.
> These systems say to the serious amateur users, the professional
> users, and the extremely geeky users, like people in forums like this
> - screw you. We don't care if you're productive any more. Everyone
> can just be a simplistic, CONSUMER of content, and so what if nobody
> can produce. Not only that, these systems make it harder for even the
> simple users to do anything but the most basic and obvious tasks.
>
> This is an epic example of the new pups not knowing or caring about
> the knowledge that the old farts have accumulated for 20 - 30 years,
> reinventing the wheel, and coming up with a square tire. Whether it
> will be a financial success is unknown, but I stand by may statement.
>
> Stupid, stupid, stupid.
>
> I can't imagine the billions of dollars of lost productivity and / or
> training costs to work AROUND the Windows 8 UI that businesses will
> suffer ... IF they even allow this thing to be deployed.
>
> Don't get me wrong, good change is good, but bad change it bad.
>
> OK. End of rant.
>
> Thanks for posting the video link.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ron
>
>
> On 1/3/2013 10:44 PM, Jay Lozier wrote:
>> On 01/03/2013 07:15 PM, Bob Toxen wrote:
>>> Forbes Magazine article calls Micro$oft:
>>>
>>> "A failing giant that only survives by charging prices that 'bleed
>>> customers dry'"
>>>
>>>
>>> http://news.yahoo.com/microsoft-called-failing-giant-only-survives-charging-prices-151012820.html
>> Running down the original article
>>
>> http://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerkay/2013/01/02/microsoft-is-fast-turning-into-a-sideshow/
>>
>>
>> he references a very scathing You-Tube video about Windows 8 by Brian
>> Boyko (its about 24 minutes)
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTYet-qf1jo
>>
>> The video's main theme is that M$ broke the 4 basic rules for a good
>> UI design without any valid reason. This gives a very poor user
>> overall experience because it frustrates users. He actually stated
>> that as UI a command line was superior because it obeys 2 of the rules.
>>
>> Back to the article, apparently M$ has many serious internal problems
>> and once people start migrating away from M$ they could be in very
>> serious financial trouble. Apparently many of their products try to
>> force a vendor lock and once people find other solutions they lose
>> the vendor lock in. The article appears to reference Linux in that he
>> referred to alternates to Windows that were cheaper.
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