[ale] flip flopping on programming, now interested in c++

[Charles Shapiro]

If it ain't Kvikkakul or INTERCAL, it ain't Real Programming.

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On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Wolf Halton <wolf.halton at gmail.com> wrote:
> It appears that you had wordwrap enabled,  mr.Kinney. I like code that forms
> one long line 2000000 characters or more.using character encoding '&ltd;'
> -Wolf
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> On Jul 7, 2012 10:03 AM, "Jim Kinney" <jim.kinney at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> ilikecompilersthancanfigureoutmyspacebarisbrokenandidon'tusecapscorrectly:-)besidesclarityissooverrattedincodethat'swhyit'scalledcodeisn'tit
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Ron Frazier (ALE)
>> <atllinuxenthinfo at techstarship.com> wrote:
>> > Hi Doug,
>> >
>> > I like compilers that totally ignore whitespace for what it's worth.
>> >
>> > I'm glad you liked the summary. Based on discussions here, I'm probably
>> > going to try the learn it myself plan, then develop some sort of
>> > portfolio
>> > of work to show to potential employers, like a designer does.
>> >
>> > Leam is trying to get me to switch to the GO language. I am considering
>> > it.
>> >
>> > I'll be 47 this year, so I'm not TOO much of an old fart. However, I
>> > have
>> > noticed that the teenie boppers behind the cash registers at stores look
>> > a
>> > lot younger now. I've had some substantial setbacks. But, I'm going to
>> > try
>> > to make the most of the last 1/3 - 1/2 of my life. I always try to keep
>> > learning. I don't know that it was ever easy, but it certainly isn't
>> > getting
>> > easier now.
>> >
>> >
>> > Sincerely,
>> >
>> > Ron
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
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>> > Mail.
>> > Please excuse my potential brevity.
>> >
>> > (To whom it may concern. My email address has changed. Replying to
>> > former
>> > messages prior to 03/31/12 with my personal address will go to the wrong
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>> >
>> > (PS - If you email me and don't get a quick response, you might want to
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>> > quickly.)
>> >
>> > Ron Frazier
>> > 770-205-9422 (O) Leave a message.
>> > linuxdude AT techstarship.com
>> >
>> >
>> > Doug Hall <doughalldev at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Okay, we've taken a small detour on the path to full employment, but
>> >> just for the sake of equal time...
>> >>
>> >> I used to be of the same mindset with Geoffrey on whitespace. The
>> >> language shouldn't force it on you. Then, I started using a web
>> >> templating language - haml <http://haml.info/&gt; along with its sister
>> >>
>> >> product "sass" (for generating css) in creating web pages. It was only
>> >> after using it for a while that I saw the true advantage of the
>> >> whitespace enforcement. For one, it's shorter. There's less to type.
>> >> Granted a curly brace takes up little room, and it's only one
>> >> character (as opposed to the 'do', 'end' bookends in ruby, for
>> >> example). But it's more than that. At least with haml, it also acts as
>> >> a bit of a syntax checker. You have to try really hard to write
>> >> invalid html in haml. The indentation shows haml precisely where to
>> >> put the closing tags for you. Plus, all my source (when you view
>> >> source on a rendered web page) is nicely formatted. I imagine Python
>> >> has similar advantages. Also, if you have things too deeply nested,
>> >> that's a sign you need to refactor (with or without whitespace
>> >> enforcement).
>> >>
>> >> So, that's it in a nutshell. Don't knock it till you've used it for a
>> >> while. In fact, remember me when you've left in one brace too many and
>> >> can't find the sucker. Won't happen in Python! There are advantages to
>> >> form and function working hand in hand.
>> >>
>> >> Ron, nice job on the summary. At 48, I'm a bit of an old fart myself.
>> >> "Old" is a lot more abstract now than it ever was, however. ;-)
>> >> Picking up new skills doesn't come as easily as it did when I was in
>> >> my twenties. I will say that at our age, we're as likely to get hired
>> >> by the breadth of our knowledge as the depth of it. You might be more
>> >> employable as an Obi-Wan Kenobi, than as Luke Skywalker, as it were. I
>> >> think you're on the right path, though. You've gotten some good advice
>> >> here. And remember --- use the source. (ducking for cover)
>> >>
>> >> Doug
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