[ale] opening distro war arch vs ubuntu

[Wolf Halton]

I have tried Arch, and found it an absolute bear to install.  I must admit
I was doing the install as part of a series of installs at a LinuxFest and
so could have been a little distracted.  My problem was I forgot (or never
knew) the drive number that grub was on, so I failed to get it to boot
after install.  Later, when I had less uproar around, I found the right
drive and partition, and things worked better.

I am using Ubuntu servers and they are doing just fine.  I am moving to
Debian servers because they are what the evergreen-ils devs are developing
on (for the most part) and what some of the heavy-hitter users are using.
This makes asking and answering questions about the applications easier.

I have one community server running Ubuntu 12.04LTS(alpha). It is a
bleeding-edge server for the devs and other users to play with.  It is way
off the norm, but it is fun occasionally to put a Seriously Unstable box on
the network.

Wolf

On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Brandon Colbert
<colbert.brandon at gmail.com>wrote:

> Go debian!
> On Dec 30, 2011 5:19 PM, "Jay Lozier" <jslozier at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 12/30/2011 04:38 PM, Brian Mathis wrote:
>> > It strikes me that you should have already answered these questions
>> > before declaring what distro you will be switching to.
>> >
>> > Have you spoken to your sysadmins about this?  What platform is your
>> > app deployed on in production?  Whatever it is, your dev environment
>> > needs to match exactly, and you need to be able to make sure updates
>> > are consistent across all systems at any point in time.
>> >
>> > Developers seem to always want the latest and greatest, and that
>> > generally conflicts with the goals of the other parts of an
>> > organization, both IT and Business.  The business generally cares
>> > about availability more than being cutting edge, since when the site
>> > is down they cannot make money from it.
>> >
>> > One of the most damaging things (from a systems perspective) that one
>> > can do in a business is deploy a non-enterprise grade Linux
>> > distribution.  This is a clear sign that the sysadmin is just a
>> > "computer guy" who happens to get paid to tinker, as opposed to
>> > someone who really understands the value of true systems management.
>> >
>> > Acceptable enterprise distros are Redhat (or CentOS), Suse, and
>> > possibly Debian.  Anything else and you are more likely making
>> > decisions based on political or religious ideas about what is "better"
>> > instead of any real criteria.
>> I would add the comprehensiveness of the documentation/help is also
>> important (Debian, Suse, Red Hat, Centos, & Ubuntu). Another item to
>> consider is the availability of paid support either on an annual
>> contract or per incident basis (Red Hat, Suse, & Ubuntu). Arch only has
>> online documentation available. I can not comment on who has the best
>> paid support, I have never used it with Linux.
>>
>> The most important issues for company are the uptime and stability for
>> users. I echo that most users will not care about bleeding edge rather
>> care about getting work done. Thus keeping the users/system up is more
>> important than any particular distro. Depending on the balance of
>> regular users versus system only/network backbone would color my
>> selection. Personally I prefer 'buntu's but I realize my personal
>> preferences may conflict with organizational needs, i.e. Red Hat is
>> often a better choice for many situations.
>> >
>> > ❧ Brian Mathis
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Narahari 'n' Savitha
>> > <savithari at gmail.com>  wrote:
>> >> Friends:
>> >>
>> >> I am about to switch from Ubuntu to Arch.  The rolling update model of
>> arch
>> >> suits our dev team better is what I think is good.
>> >>
>> >> Is anyone using Arch ?
>> >> Anyone has had bad experience with Arch ?
>> >> How bleeding edge is Arch ?
>> >> How soon are fixes available in Arch usually ?
>> >> Is AUR any better/worse than PPA ?
>> >>
>> >> Appreciate your input.
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >> -Narahari
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