[ale] I can see why RHEL people don't use Emacs...

[Pete Hardie]

I tried emacs during the dial-up era, and decided that it was not sane
when I had to use a Ctrl-S command and the terminal intercepted it.  I
lost 2 hours of work because I did not realize that the terminal was
locked.



On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 09:25, Lightner, Jeff <JLightner at water.com> wrote:
> Even after being taught how to use emacs years ago in a training class where the software maker thought it was "da bomb" I went right back to using vi when I got back to my office because I simply couldn't see any great benefit of emacs.   The funny thing is the discussion about emacs being a Linux abomination.  I first saw it on UNIX long before I started working on any Linux system.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of mike at trausch.us
> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 11:41 PM
> To: ale at ale.org
> Subject: Re: [ale] I can see why RHEL people don't use Emacs...
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> On 02/08/2012 09:55 PM, Greg Clifton wrote:
>> Wolf,  sounds like MT would be your drinking buddy for that exercise ;-)
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> LOL!
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> I don't actually do VC stuff from within my editor.  I tend to commit a
> single change set (which often means changing multiple files).  I have
> used Emacs' built-in VC interface for simple single-line changes, but
> nothing really more than that.  Even then, I often tend to ignore it,
> because I'm in the habit of having a (no, wait, several) terminal
> windows open at once.  Sometimes multiple terminal windows running
> different tmux instances, even.  :-)
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> Most of what I use Emacs for is programming of one sort or another.
> Before I started using Emacs sometime in about 2005, I used vim nearly
> exclusively, sometimes playing with things like gedit and the like.
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> I really was tired of the modal interface that vi(m) presents for
> everyday work, which was part of the reason that I decided to check out
> Emacs.  The first time I tried it, I went back to vim in less than an
> hour.  But as time went on and I grew more tired of the way vim worked,
> the more I played in Emacs until I grew to depend on it as an everyday tool.
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> Now, by no means will you *ever* hear me argue that anyone who uses
> Linux or UNIX systems professionally should ignore vi or any of its
> (non-)extended clones.  It can be very useful to know vi; after all,
> there are still even today some systems that ship with it as the only
> editor.  I would actually argue that it is also still a Good Idea(tm) to
> know how to use ksh, just as much as it is for vim, sed, awk, or
> whatever else you can think of out of the UNIX toolbox.
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> Note: I am aware of precisely ONE general-purpose Linux-based system
> that ships with neither vim nor Emacs by default, as if to skirt the
> issue entirely; it ships only nano by default, and you have to choose
> vim, Emacs or both.  The odd thing is that it's Gentoo.  Shipping nano
> by default seems rather uncharacteristic, given its target audience!
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> Personally, I have both vim and Emacs on my system (and I actually had
> to install both of them).  I *rarely* use vim anymore, though,
> preferring the use of sed to vim because sed fits better in shell
> pipelines.  But the main reason that I use Emacs is because I can very
> easily make it do what I want in a matter of seconds the first time, and
> almost no time at all the next.
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> If only I could teach it to write my code for me...!  :-D
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>        --- Mike
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