[ale] Linux bashed by Apple?

Wed Aug 29 13:09:26 EDT 2012

I can agree with this statement:

"Another problem is that OS X is a BSD derivative so it is a Unix
derivative so one could argue that OS X is the most successful BSD/Linux
distro."

I will humbly submit the statement below I wrote in a Facebook status not
too long ago.  Speaking for myself, I love Debian Squeeze on my laptop as
my primary environment and I prefer LibreOffice 3.5.6-2 over Office 2007
(which I have available to me under Wine 1.4 as well as in Windows). I have
access naively to Windows on a desktop for other things, as well as Windows
7 on my work laptop.  Anyway, here is what I've wrote:

"was getting some personal projects done earlier in a customized Linux
environment that is the most enjoyable/productive for me. Which reminded me
In Don's perfect world/utopia - people's contributions would be based and
valued in being able to work in ways as well as use tools that most suited
their talents and work habits. It can be open, it can be proprietary, it
can be a combination of the two. I only ask for choices and freedom, to
reduce barriers of entry to individuals, and to live in a world that is not
completely homogenized."

On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 12:22 PM, Rich Faulkner <rfaulkner at tux86.org> wrote:

> **
> Again, (IMHO), the public is in such a mind-set of proprietary numbness
> that they think MS tools and "what they know" is the only way to go.  When
> "I" took the Linux "oath"; I did so knowing that I was embracing the
> open-source way of computing.  That means using F/OSS tools and friendly
> hardware.  I want "my" computer to be a tool; not a revenue source for
> Apple or Microsoft.
>
> OS/X was "cool" for a time (a very short-time); but that was when I was in
> the process of dumping MS.  Back then I was going between OS/X, X64 and
> SuSE 10.1.  We still have the Mac but it is nothing but a glorified audio
> processor running Pro Tools LE in our production studio; and as much as
> SuSE 10.1 didn't win-out against X64...X64 got dumped in favor of Fedora
> and now running Ubuntu (and very happy with it I might add!)  MS is a think
> of the past at my desk...YMMV
>
> RinL
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 2012-08-29 at 11:41 -0400, JD wrote:
>
> On 08/27/2012 11:15 PM, Cornelis van Dijk wrote:
> > Is this old news or did I just wake up?
> >
> > http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/27/tech/web/apple-linux-desktop/index.html?hpt=hp_t3
>
>
> Funny, OSX always feels like "Linux-lite" to me.  I spent a week using an OSX
> box last February - on purpose.  It was painful.  All the keyboard shortcuts
> were wrong.  I suspect if I'd used OSX and only OSX for 6 months, those chords
> would seem elegant. To me they were "different just to be different."  The mouse
> copy/paste was painful too, but I'm used to pure X/Windows select/paste.
>
> I think the real issue for Linux desktop growth is the lack of 100% compatible
> MS-Office software and professional image and video editing software - basically
> Adobe tools.  Screwing around with "almost compatible" software is something
> most people don't want.
>
> Attempt to work on MS-Office documents with reviewer comments, comparisons and
> version editing inside Libre/Open Office on any platform, including Linux. It
> doesn't work.  Pagination is off too.
>
> For home users, Quicken, TurboTax, software compatible with iTunes and
> commercial games probably matter most. I could be wrong.
>
> Gamers will probably never leave MS-Windows until 5 really big game vendors
> switch to Linux as their primary development platform and delay the release of
> games at least 4 months to Windows after the Linux release.  Not likely.  I have
> a friend in a small "SWAT-Team" company for game publishers. His company
> optimizes code to make it perform. They are experts at GPUs, C++ and ASM. He
> works for all the game companies we know on a per-project basis, usually only a
> few months per game.  He loves Linux and BSD, but none of his clients have asked
> for anything related to Linux. Work is 100% Windows.
>
> OSX has really taken over the Ruby and Perl developer communities from what I've
> seen. They want the power of UNIX, but the ability to buy commercial software to
> get other things done too.  $2000 is nothing to spend in terms of the higher
> productivity they believe happens using OSX.  I suspect other professional
> scripting language programmers are the same - migrating to OSX.
>
> Apple hardware has that undefined "cool factor" for many. Always a plus. The
> $200 iPod was their gateway drug.
>
> Plus, embedding MS-Visio graphics only works for MS-Office, not LibreOffice.
> For my work, Visio is a must-have program.
>
> I use Linux constantly, daily, and love it for the most part. When I need to
> work with others on documents, I push ODF files so there isn't any need to boot
> a Windows VM, but sometimes I'm too slow and the versioning/comments are enabled
> in a different format, so I'm screwed.
>
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