[ale] [OT] rant - decadence in society - DRM

Wed Mar 30 09:21:18 EDT 2011

Ooh, I seem to have touched a nerve.

-- CHS

On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 12:26 AM, arxaaron <arxaaron at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 2011/03/29, at 17:11 , Jim Kinney wrote:
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> On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Charles Shapiro <hooterpincher at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> And yet, without those evil corporations we would not be swimming in
>> the happy sea of
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>
>>
>> (toxic waste dumps caused by unregulated production of)
>
>
>>
>> cheap and wonderful hardware which we inhabit.  I
>> bought a 1/2 terabyte drive at Fry's the other day for $50
>
>
>>
>> (that was built by children who are nearly slaves in China).
>
>
>>
>>  Small shops and artisanal craftsmanship cannot produce that kind of
>> machinery at that price
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>
>>
>> (and theyhave no desire to produce WalMart-level quality).
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>
>>
>>  Corporations are certainly capable of
>> outrageous behavior, but that's only half the story.
>
> (The other half is the rampant greed that drives economic system
>
> to near global collapse)
>>
>> -- CHS
>
> I have almost zero trust for any process that holds the top level blameless
>
> and harmless from their decisions. Corporations are my prime example.
>
> Political leaders are the secondary example.
>
> Here's more of the reality.  The nicest thing about these videos is that
> the simple, clear, down to earth way that Annie Leonard presents the
> Truth, it might even be possible for delusional, child killing, drooling,
> Glenn Beck foil hat conspiracy nut, teabagger terrorist, Koch brother
> teahadist puppet hate monger types to understand it (assuming it's
> possible for them to pull their zombie heads out of their sphincters
> for all of ten minutes):
> <http://www.youtube.com/storyofstuffproject#p/u/22/9GorqroigqM>
> Makes me want to take out a billboard ad for all those patricidal
> killers of the American Dream:
> Hey STOOPID!  It's the CORPORATIONS that are coproRAPING
> you, and corpoRAPING your economy, and corpoRAPING your
> country, and corpoRAPING your freedoms, and corpoRAPING your
> children, and, with the aid of YOUR blissful ignorance and
> compliant infantile denial and rabid right wing media puppet
> zombie hate mongering terrorism, they are coproRAPING the
> future of everyone and everything else on the entire planet, too!
>
> peace
> aaron
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Yay! Aaron's back!
>> >
>> > Constitution is about PEOPLE not corporations.
>> >
>> > On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 2:36 PM, arxaaron <arxaaron at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On 2011/03/24, at 10:11 , Charles Shapiro wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > I was merely using Mr. Paine as a hint that copyright laws Need to
>> >> > Change.  "When we are exposed to the same miseries BY a government,
>> >> > which we might expect in a country WITHOUT government..."
>> >> >
>> >> > When "Intellectual Property" laws become an IMPEDIMENT to innovation,
>> >> > rather than a SPUR, it is time to change the laws.  Walt Disney
>> >> > doesn't own my computer. Warner Brothers can't dictate how I use it.
>> >> > Sony Inc. won't stop me from writing code.
>> >> >
>> >> > -- CHS
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Which speaks to the REAL core of the problem, which is that our
>> >> social democracy, a Positive, Just and Constructive system of
>> >> government that was designed by constitution to establish and
>> >> protect the freedoms and civil liberties of its citizens, has been
>> >> destroyed by Corporate Welfare State fascism.
>> >>
>> >> Since usurping the 14th Amendment laws intended to protect the
>> >> _human_ rights and civil liberties of freed _human_ slaves in 1896,
>> >> the totalitarian structures of piratizing corporation have corrupted
>> >> every law and every institution of the good government that was
>> >> designed to protect the rights and liberties of its citizens.  The
>> >> corporapist elites and their vicious pursuit of resource theft,
>> >> worker exploitation and monopolies have been a the blood
>> >> sucking cancer of greed to our nation since its founding.
>> >>
>> >> peace
>> >> aaron
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> Brilliant prose from a brilliant person from a time period when no
>> >> >> government had ever yet done any measurable good for any portion of
>> >> >> their
>> >> >> governed that approached a majority.
>> >> >> I wish Franklin and Jefferson could have seen humans walking on the
>> >> >> moon.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Mar 23, 2011 2:57 PM, "Charles Shapiro"
>> >> >> <hooterpincher at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>> For a more sensible response: I am sorry, but I strongly disagree
>> >> >>> with
>> >> >>> Ron's contentions about Intellectual Property.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Intellectual Property is nonsense. If you steal my real property,
>> >> >>> you
>> >> >>> deprive me of the use of it. Steal my bicycle, and I can't use it
>> >> >>> to
>> >> >>> go down to the store. If you make a copy of my book (or my song, or
>> >> >>> my software...), I can still read (or play, or use) my copy. More
>> >> >>> to
>> >> >>> the point, I can still SELL my copy. You could (possibly) argue
>> >> >>> that
>> >> >>> publishing your copy of my book may deprive me of some revenues
>> >> >>> which
>> >> >>> I might otherwise have acquired from selling copies of my book, but
>> >> >>> that money a phantasm. It is not the same as the money I keep in my
>> >> >>> wallet or my bank account. "Intellectual Property" laws are hacks
>> >> >>> to
>> >> >>> encourage people to write neat stuff. Once they start getting
>> >> >>> _in_the_way_ of creating stuff, they're obviously a Bad Idea.
>> >> >>> Confusing this putative "Intellectual Property" with real property
>> >> >>> is
>> >> >>> a sure way to misunderstand every moral and legal issue associated
>> >> >>> with creative work.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> The Original Ranter maybe said it best:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its
>> >> >>> best
>> >> >>> state is but a necessary evil in its worst state an intolerable
>> >> >>> one;
>> >> >>> for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries by a
>> >> >>> government, which we might expect in a country without government,
>> >> >>> our
>> >> >>> calamities is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by
>> >> >>> which we suffer! Government, like dress, is the badge of lost
>> >> >>> innocence; the palaces of kings are built on the ruins of the
>> >> >>> bowers
>> >> >>> of paradise. For were the impulses of conscience clear, uniform,
>> >> >>> and
>> >> >>> irresistibly obeyed, man would need no other lawgiver; but that not
>> >> >>> being the case, he finds it necessary to surrender up a part of his
>> >> >>> property to furnish means for the protection of the rest; and this
>> >> >>> he
>> >> >>> is induced to do by the same prudence which in every other case
>> >> >>> advises him out of two evils to choose the least. Wherefore,
>> >> >>> security
>> >> >>> being the true design and end of government, it unanswerably
>> >> >>> follows
>> >> >>> that whatever form thereof appears most likely to ensure it to us,
>> >> >>> with the least expense and greatest benefit, is preferable to all
>> >> >>> others.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> (Tom Paine, 1776)
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> -- CHS
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Jerald Sheets <questy at gmail.com>
>> >> >>> wrote:
>> >> >>>> On Mar 23, 2011, at 2:24 PM, Charles Shapiro wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>> And YOU KIDS GET OFF MY LAWN!!!!!
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> "Residential Vegetation Management Zone"
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> #!/jerald
>> >> >>>> Linux User #183003
>> >> >>>> Ubuntu User #32648
>> >> >>>> Public GPG Key:  http://questy.org/js.asc
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
>> >> >>>> Version: 3.1
>> >> >>>> GIT/MU d-@ s++(++)>+++:> a+ C++++(+++)$>++ UBLAVHSC++(on)$>++++
>> >> >>>> P++(+++)$>++++ L++(++++)$>+++ !E---(---)>--- W+(++)$>+++ N(+)$>+
>> >> >>>> + !o !K--
>> >> >>>> w(--)>--- O()@> M++(++)$>++ V()>- PS+++()@>-- PE(++)@>+ Y+(+)@>+
>> >> >>>> PGP++(++)$>+++ t+(++)@>+++ 5(+)@>+ X+(++)@>+++ R+(+)@>++
>> >> >>>> tv-(+)$>++
>> >> >>>> b+++(++)$>++ DI++++(++)>+++ D++(++)@>++ G++(++)@>++ e++(++)$>++
>> >> >>>> h(-)$>-
>> >> >>>> r+++(+++)@>+++ y+(+++)>++++@
>> >> >>>> ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
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