On Sun, 2010-11-28 at 22:10 -0500, Michael Potter wrote: > They do not try to hide that it is refurb, they they > also do not make it obvious. > At this one it is obvious. The new stuff is packaged in standard packaging and refurb in plain cardboard boxes. The price on the shelf as well as their floor models in plastic box clearly disclose it is a refurb.