[ale] [ALE-jobs] Opportunity for Windows Admin in PA/TN

[arxaaron]

Looking back to when Jim took the initiative to start the
jobs list and took on the task of moderating it,  he did
state his intent to post opportunities in the IT/Tech
sector even when Linux / Unix / FLOSS were not
integral parts of the job descriptions. Some discussion
along the lines of the current debate followed, but
there was no commitment to filter out "off topic" posts.

Though I stand by my convictions that posts to our jobs
list from outside companies, most especially recruiters,
should be limited to items with Linux & FLOSS relevance,
the ALE membership seems split on the issue.

In the end it's the call of whoever has taken on the
volunteer task of moderating the list. The current
moderator a fair minded but avid FLOSS evangelist,
so I doubt the ALE-jobs list will become a wasteland
dumping ground for windisease recruiters.  Hopefully
this ALE offering will remain a high gravity brew with
a distinctive character.

peace
aaron







On 2010/11/11, at 07:40 , Jim Kinney wrote:
> I stand by my decision to approve a job posting that had no
>
> specific Linux/FLOSS context except for one: the access to
>
> an opportunity to introduce the employer to our world.
>
> In order to expand the coverage of Linux, we have to have
>
> access to do so.  Standing outside the parking lot gate won't
>
> get it done. Standing inside the data center will.
>
> Besides it's loads of fun to replace a stack of windows machines
>
> with a pair of redundant Linux servers. It's hard to do that in an
>
> all Linux shop.
>
> Preaching to the choir is a waste of time when the game
>
> is to claim converts.
>



> On Nov 10, 2010 11:53 PM, "arxaaron" <arxaaron at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 2010/11/10, at 22:10 , Mike Harrison wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Sparr wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 8:59 PM, Mike Harrison  
> <cluon at geeklabs.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> Would you rather give one of "us" Linux/FOSS aware
> >>>> people a chance at a paying job....
> >>>> or one of "them" M$-centric fanbois?
> >>>
> >>> By that logic, *any* job posting is relevant to this board, almost
> >>> all
> >>> of them more so than a MS job posting.
> >>
> >> I just hired a kid who's been working the Deli counter at Wal- 
> Mart..
> >> Still
> >> is on weekends. But he can use vi, diff, and write some basic code.
> >> He's
> >> learning quickly. While I'm not so sure the Wal-Mart deli job
> >> posting is
> >> apropos to an ALE-Jobs or other technology list, I'm glad he had  
> the
> >> job
> >> until he found employment as a Linux sysadmin.
> >>
> >> In 2004 I made more money as a welder than a Linux geek.
> >> Still have a dead spot in my right eye from it ("instant" on  
> welding
> >> mask
> >> failed) The message I got that work from a posting to a Linux  
> list and
> >> kept me fed for 6 months. (I made special brackets for antenna
> >> mounts).
> >>
> >> In 2005, I took a job that includes babysitting 14 2000/2003  
> windows
> >> iMail
> >> and IIS servers. I converted most of them to a single Linux  
> server. I
> >> could not have done that if I had not taken the job.
> >>
> >> It is far easier to convert the unwashed ignaorant masses from  
> within
> >> the castle walls, than from across the moat.
> >
> > The point in this is not a question of whether working
> > in odd jobs, tech oriented or otherwise, MafiaSoft centric
> > or not, is better for someone than not working at all.
> >
> > The question is whether postings for those odd jobs
> > are appropriate to the ALE-jobs list, and the answer is
> > that they aren't. A posting for a welding gig or a babysitting
> > job or a windisease-only admin position are all equally
> > inappropriate to the context of the ALE-jobs list.
> >
> > If someone wants to (or is willing to) be a welder or a
> > babysitter or an accomplice to convicted corporate
> > criminals to pay the bills, there are many resources
> > available for finding work in those arenas. There is
> > no reason or justification for ALE to dilute its services
> > by trying to be a redundant echo of those resources.
> >
> > The point and purpose of the ALE-jobs list is to be a
> > clear resource for finding employment and employees
> > in arenas relating to some level of Linux, Unix, or
> > FLOSS administration or development. If the job
> > description doesn't include _something_ relating
> > to those, then it is clearly and simply inappropriate
> > and needs to be directed elsewhere. Otherwise we
> > might as well label it the ALE-craigslist and start
> > posting service offers from prostitutes and
> > employment offers from pimps because the list
> > will have no differentiating or specific purpose
> > at that point.
> >
> > peace
> > aaron
> >
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