[ale] best cross platform development evironment

Tue Nov 9 09:28:59 EST 2010

Yeah, I've built at least one reasonably fast GUI with WxPython (
http://www.wxpython.org/ ) in front of a SQLite database.  I've also
written a lot of perl. The learning curve between perl and python
isn't all that daunting, 'specially if you already have some C and
Java under your belt.  Python is also quite stylish, and for an
increasing number of people it is their first exposure to actual
programming.  That means that you're probably going to be able to find
Python programmers pretty easily going forward, if one of your current
team shoots his wife or decides to leave in a huff.

Python lacks the extraordinary library depth of Perl (
http://www.cpan.org/ ), although the standard release comes with a
pretty good basic API.  There are signs ( http://pypi.python.org/pypi
) that could change over the next few years.  And there are some
marvelous Python-based web development environments (
http://www.zope.org/ ) ( http://www.cherrypy.org/ ),

That said, if you and your team already have experience with another
language, I'm not sure I'd try a whole new one just for the
entertainment value. Unless, of course, entertainment is what you're
after.   <<ducks>>

-- CHS

On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Geoffrey Myers
<lists at serioustechnology.com> wrote:
> Chuck Payne wrote:
>> Please note that correct spelling of SUSE is SUSE if you are talking
>> about the SLE version openSUSE. S.u.S.E hasn't not been used since
>> over 6 years. As for as MONO, openSUSE and SLE aren't the only Linux
>> Distro to use it. Ubuntu and Fedora are using as well.
>>
>> Novell get the most flak because of agreement they signed with MS,
>> which by ways doesn't effect openSUSE, it was more for SLE. MONO is
>> free.
>>
>> Geoffrey, what are you want to cross development for, Mac, Windows,
>> and Linux? Why no Python?
>
> The developers have current experience in: C, perl, OO, java
> development.  Hadn't considered Python as it's not something we know.
> Can I build a full blown, fast gui using Python?
>
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Lightner, Jeff <jlightner at water.com>
>> wrote:
>>> To put it simply C# is NOT "free open source software" because of
>>> the restrictions M$ put in the patent agreement.
>>>
>>> If you think the only ones on the hook would be folks like Novell
>>> then you do NOT know the history of M$.   (By the way - It is
>>> ironic you used Novell as your example.   They are the only Linux
>>> distributor (SuSe) dumb enough to sign a no-sue agreement with M$
>>> over FOSS.)
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: ale-bounces at ale.org
>>> [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of James Sumners Sent:
>>> Monday, November 08, 2010 10:03 AM To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
>>> Subject: Re: [ale] best cross platform development evironment
>>>
>>> What is the problem here? MS has essentially waived any patent
>>> claims to their invention (C# and .Net) in order to get it
>>> standardized. The only people who have to request a "license" are
>>> the people implementing the standard (if that's even necessary).
>>> So, the people creating Mono (i.e. Novell) are the ones on the
>>> hook, not you.
>>>
>>> To put it simply: Mono _is_ Free Open Source Software.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Jeff Hubbs <jhubbslist at att.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Please excuse me if I decline to "get over it:"
>>>>
>>>> http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/files/ECMA-ST/Ecma%20PATENT/ECMA-334%20&%20335/ECMA-334%204th%20Edition%20patent%20statements.pdf
>>>>
>>>> http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/files/ECMA-ST/Ecma%20PATENT/ECMA-334%20&%20335/ECMA-335%204th%20Edition%20patent%20statements.pdf
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We went to Linux and F/OSS to get away from having to obtain
>>>> corporate permission (in exchange for money or not) to use
>>>> software.
>>>>
>>>> On 11/8/10 9:32 AM, James Sumners wrote:
>>>>> http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-334.htm
>>>>>  and
>>>>> http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-335.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Get over it.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Jeff Hubbs<jhubbslist at att.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Seeing as he says he has concerns about Java...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/8/10 9:19 AM, James Sumners wrote:
>>>>>>> Why not C# with .Net/Mono? Mono supports Winforms[1].
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [1] -- http://www.mono-project.com/Winforms
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Geoffrey Myers
>>>>>>> <lists at serioustechnology.com>    wrote:
>>>>>>>> Trying to decide on the best cross platform development
>>>>>>>> environment. Right now, considering Java, C++ and QT.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Concerns about Java because of who now owns it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Have to develop an application that will run on both
>>>>>>>> Windows desktops and Linux desktops.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Insights, suggestions?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- Until later, Geoffrey
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