[ale] best cross platform development evironment

[Jim Kinney]

HA! Given M$'s history I wouldn't count on them following their own
contracts much less some nebulous "agreement".

Cross-platform devel is best done with open standards not controlled by a
single for-profit entity. As far as I have seen, language choices include
C++, Python, Perl (but some windows lock-in with Active State); GUI from WX
(supports C++ and python and perl) or cygwin (ugh!). I don't see Java as a
true crossplatform as it requires an Oracle blessing for the local code bits
and GNU Java is not always an option (windows version?) or QT (with gpl
caveats on application - need devel license if output is NOT gpl) which
supports C++, perl, python, and a gaggle of others.

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Lightner, Jeff <jlightner at water.com> wrote:

> Ignoring M$ history which is well documented doesn't change my opinion that
> it would be naïve to rely on a "promise" made by them.   There's a reason
> that large corporations like IBM and Sun felt the need to sue them despite
> "legal agreements" M$ signed.
>
> I pointed out that ECMA 334 is specifically tied to a "patent agreement"
> that is at best vague.  If you choose to ignore that feel free to do so but
> don't pretend it is the same thing as true FOSS.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of James
> Sumners
> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 10:42 AM
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [ale] best cross platform development evironment
>
> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Lightner, Jeff <jlightner at water.com>
> wrote:
> > To put it simply C# is NOT "free open source software" because of the
> restrictions M$ put in the patent agreement.
>
> Both ECMA 334 and 335 are covered under MS's Open Specification
> Promise[1], a legally enforceable[2] contract. Thus, MS cannot sue
> anyone who implements 334 and 335 as detailed in the standards.
> Therefore, Mono, the base implementation of C# and the .Net libraries,
> ARE FOSS.
>
> You not liking MS does not change that fact.
>
> > If you think the only ones on the hook would be folks like Novell then
> you do NOT know the history of M$.   (By the way - It is ironic you used
> Novell as your example.   They are the only Linux distributor (SuSe) dumb
> enough to sign a no-sue agreement with M$ over FOSS.)
>
> If you write an application using Mono, then you are not IMPLEMENTING
> .Net. You are USING an implementation of .Net. Nothing in that patent
> letter implies users of an implementation are subject to any action
> what-so-ever. Only implementors. Additionally, Novell was not an
> example (as indicated by my use of "i.e."[3]). Novell are the ones who
> write, and maintain, Mono -- the implementation of 334 and 335.
>
> This thread is about cross platform development environments for Linux
> _and_ Windows. Java was eliminated from the realm of possibilities
> because Oracle claims ownership of Java under threat of litigation,
> despite Sun having licensed something with the name "Java" under the
> GPL. So, the runner up, like it or not, is C# and .Net. Any other
> environment is going to require much more work (making sure the right
> libraries are installed, etc.).
>
>
> [1] -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Community_Promise
> [2] -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promise
> [3] -- http://www.wikihow.com/Use-%22i.e.%22-Versus-%22e.g.%22
>
> --
> James Sumners
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>
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