[ale] [STILL OT] Re: BP knew of problems 11 months before the rig blew - further OT

Jim Kinney jim.kinney at gmail.com
Tue Jun 1 17:48:03 EDT 2010

um. yeah. good luck with a budget balancing effort that involves raising the
gas tax to pay for the war to keep cheap oil that priced spiked 2 years ago
anyway as a test to see what we would tolerate before cutting back on
driving ($5/gal). That was probably also a test run on the software that did
the market "hiccup" a few weeks back </snark>

I may not be right but my cynicism is genuine.

On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Tom Freeman <tfreeman at intel.digichem.net>wrote:

> On 06/01/2010 02:06:58 PM, Damon L. Chesser wrote:
> > On Tue, 2010-06-01 at 13:45 -0400, Jim Kinney wrote:
> >
> > First things first:  Jim you are a non-name caller!  There, I said
> > it.
> >
> > Second, in a more serious vain:  When I heard the news I thought this
> > was an example of corners cut.  I am former Navy, 10years, working
> > the
> > flight deck of carriers.  Accidents don't just happen, they result
> > from
> > either previous unknown conditions are from cutting corners.  Ocean
> > drilling has been going on for some time, so I have to think we were
> > cutting corners (figurative we).  I am not against business, love
> > capitalism systems and wish we had one, but it is my gut reaction
> > that
> > BP is negligent on this and also the Government is to slow to move on
> > this and they should have been moving much, much faster.  This kind
> > of
> > thing is what The Government is for.
> >
> > I do not believe this should curtail further drilling.  We should
> > perform postmortem to find the root cause and then make the resulting
> > conclusions codified to prevent the event from happening again.
> >
> > The post by some one else listing the retired oil guy was
> > informative:
> > If he is right, this happened due to lack of experience in dealing
> > the
> > the pressure.  It will still be expensive to fix (the damage of
> > surrounding shore line and economic effects of Gulf based
> > businesses).
> > But until we can replace petrol, we need to exploit what we have.
> <<snipage>>
> An OT alert added just because...
> I _think_ we have had some discussions around here about some
> approaches to replacing/supplimenting drilled petroleum, but it has
> been a while. On this list we do have some people with enough
> engeneering background  to make a decent beginning on some approaches.
> For the most part, those approaches are not on the table due to the
> percieved cost. After all, the _cost_ of most oil spills seems to get
> dropped on the area residents, the area critters, and so forth, and not
> directly passed on to the rest of the economic system as a price
> increase for well produced petroleum.
> Keeping troops stationed in the Middle East appears to have helped keep
> crude oil prices stable. But have we charged a fraction of that cost to
> the cost of fuel/chemicals? (And a great accounting question would be -
> how to apportion that cost)
> IMHO, YMMV and so forth.
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James P. Kinney III
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Doing pretty well on all 3 pursuits
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