[ale] I am so tired of Linux Fanatics
Damon L. Chesser
damon at damtek.com
Wed Jul 7 22:18:43 EDT 2010
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 13:36 -0400, jrtroberts wrote:
> This venting is from my experience on the freenode ##linux channel
Which is why I once made #oklinux on freenode server. I had one to many
RTFM answers when I did not understand the TFM (in #debian and
#freebsd). #oklinux is not very busy now-a-days but it does have people
who pretty much know linux, including two I raised up from newbie
tadpole. One of those is now a Linux admin (very jr) and the other
works for Dell for Enterprise support. Neither knew anything about
Linux. Some argue I don't either. Stop on by, hang out, ask questions,
wait for us to wake up. Everybody welcome: RTFM answers are not
allowed and I have booted one for doing that.
>
> Being a new user to Linux I am feeling very militant at the moment. I
> wouldn't mind a live internet feed featuring the torture and death of
> smug, violent, self righteous Linux fanatics that attack the least bit
> of ignorance from a new user. If I knew of a way to put an end to it I
> would, but sadly I don't. (well maybe non-violent communication). I
> know this self-righteous attitude is also a part of any 'camp' be it
> windows, mathematics, OS X, science, gaming. There are those that
> believe that somehow they are superior for understanding something that
> is seen as complex to others, and even though they were most likely
> taught by someone else, they refuse to politely offer information.
>
> They have to intimidate, undermine the efforts of, and nearly obliterate
> the self confidence of any new user who does not understand what is
> going on in the linux world. Honestly it makes me ill, and I almost
> don't want to be a part of the linux community because of it.
>
> The OS is too complicated and granular for even advanced Windows users
> to step into quickly. The manuals can be a vast, sparsely written,
> codex of geek speak that requires an interpreter for most non-geek
> non-technical users to understand. Combine this with the attitudes of
> many linux users and it makes learning about this fabulous operating
> system feel like walking across a room full of broken glass. Added to
> the mix is the fact that linux is still not a user friendly environment
> for non-hackers and non-geeks and you still need to be able to handle
> CLI's comfortably to use the operating system effectively.
>
> All of the issues with windows, its licenses, the costs, the crashes and
> memory leaks, the backroom deals, etc. and the effect they can have on a
> person is more than matched by the vehemence that these over zealous
> weasels and their neolithic territorial pissing grounds, marking their
> virtual domains and attacking anyone who doesn't meet with their
> standards. They are like hellish gatekeepers to a cyber garden of eden.
>
> I know this rant probably resembles a temper tantrum from an enraged 3rd
> grader, but it has really gotten to the point that I am discouraged from
> exploring any further into this operating system. I am beginning to
> hate it because of the blind hatred many linux users have for 'Newbs' or
> people that are green or curious yet ignorant. And that hatred and
> these attacks are coloring my view of linux. And I am the founder of a
> Pro Linux group at my former college, which adds to the sick feeling in
> my gut.
>
> Anyway I am feeling better after having vented, maybe I will feel better
> if I actually post this. Maybe I will also be scathed by ALE members
> and have to restrain my self from getting into a shouting match with
> someone in ALE that takes offense to this letter of disgruntlement,
> however poor the grammar and badly written.
>
> I think that I am so upset because I go out of my way to help others, no
> matter how simple the task, or how complicated. I rarely get annoyed
> when help others use a computer because I understand that it is a very
> unnatural act. Not everyone is wired with the problem solving
> capabilities and innate curiosity needed to dig into a computer and
> learn how to work with it, not just use it. As such I use patience and
> tolerance, but I don't tolerate people who attack those that are less
> fortunate or less educated on a topics. It is immature, selfish, and
> counter productive.
>
>
> Grrrr!! what a pain in the ass.
>
>
> Joshua Roberts
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