[ale] Servlets and NetBeans and .jars, oh my!

Fri Jul 2 16:09:59 EDT 2010

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On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com> wrote:

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> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Lightner, Jeff <jlightner at water.com>wrote:
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>> Lol
>>
>> I've seen many a Java zombie in my day...
>>
>
> programmers or just people standing around at starbucks??
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of Pete
>> Hardie
>> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 2:54 PM
>> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux!
>> Subject: Re: [ale] Servlets and NetBeans and .jars, oh my!
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 14:41, Lightner, Jeff <jlightner at water.com> wrote:
>> > One of my favorite Heinlein stories is about a girl who gets knocked up
>> by a
>> > stranger who swept her off her feet then abandoned her.   She has the
>> baby
>> > and gives it up for adoption.   Turns out she's a hermaphrodite and the
>> > pregnancy/birth has messed her up so much the doctor gives her a sex
>> > change.   Later as a young man he is approached by an older guy who
>> recruits
>> > him into the time police.   One of the first things he does is goes back
>> in
>> > time to find the guy that knocked him up when he was a woman.   He can't
>> > however, resist, having sex with his younger female self so it turns out
>> > he's the one who knocked himself up.   After the female self gives birth
>> he
>> > takes the baby (a little girl) and puts it with the folks that raised
>> him -
>> > as it turns out the baby is him.  After several years he goes back in
>> time
>> > and recruits his younger male self into the time police.   He ends by
>> saying
>> > "I know who I am but where did all you zombies come from?"
>>
>> Behold the power of Java!
>>
>> from overview question to RAH's "All You Zombies" in 7 messages.....
>>
>>
>> :)
>>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> >
>> > From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of Jim
>> > Kinney
>> > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 2:22 PM
>> > To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux!
>> > Subject: Re: [ale] Servlets and NetBeans and .jars, oh my!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > But java is self-documenting! All you need to do is run your working
>> source
>> > code through....
>> >
>> > yep! it's self-referencing closed loop process - to learn java is to
>> know
>> > java is to learn java is...
>> >
>> > It's like the watch in the movie "Somewhere in time" with Cristopher
>> Reeves.
>> > At a conference, an old woman gives him a pocket watch. He goes back in
>> time
>> > and gives that watch to her younger self. Who made the watch?
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Dylan Northrup <ale at doc-x.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > And it also seems that, whatever you're trying to do, there's not a
>> good,
>> > piece by piece tutorial for putting things together a bit at a time.
>>  The
>> > HOWTOs and tutorials I've seen always seem to have a step that goes
>> > something like the following:
>> >
>> >    Step ???: Download the following jar files: <insert names of several
>> > libraries author finds useful>.  Now type out the code below and magical
>> > stuff will happen because all the hard work is done by the libraries
>> you've
>> > downloaded in the trivial case I've outlined below that doesn't cover
>> what
>> > you want to be able to do.
>> >
>> > Ok, I admit, many times the author is not straightforward about
>> admitting
>> > that last bit, but it almost always seems to be the case. It's not that
>> I'm
>> > against useful libraries, but I've not found an author that a)
>> introduces
>> > their libs one at a time, b) gives a thorough description of the
>> libraries
>> > they're using, what the specific benefits are, c) provides more than one
>> > scenario for the libraries they use or d) any combination of these.
>> >
>> > So, if you're trying to do exactly what the HOWTO author is doing,
>> you're
>> > good to go.  If you want to do something else, the HOWTO doesn't cover
>> it
>> > and, depending on what set of libraries you've installed, you may have
>> to
>> > jump through an enormous number of hoops to be able to do something that
>> > seems like a simple expansion on what the HOWTO covered, but isn't
>> because
>> > the methods you need aren't implemented in the libraries.
>> > </rant>
>> >
>> > If someone can point me to the documentation or books I've been unable
>> to
>> > find that explain things clearly, incrementally and thoroughly (more
>> than
>> > one or tow use cases), I would be eternally grateful.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 12:08 PM, James Sumners <james.sumners at gmail.com
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > I agree. It seems to me that this answer is really "depends on what
>> > you're trying to do." In my case, I have to learn Java (the easiest
>> > part) + Libraries + Tomcat + whatever else is needed to run/administer
>> > my portal.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Dylan Northrup <ale at doc-x.net> wrote:
>> >> Actually, I think that'd be precisely the wrong place to start.  The
>> >> tutorials there are presented on specific technologies, but are not put
>> >> into
>> >> any overall context and there is nothing to tie the tutorials together
>> or
>> >> show when and where they're supposed to be used.  I know this because I
>> am
>> >> in the same position as Pete, have been looking for a similar "Guide to
>> >> the
>> >> Java Ecosystem" and found Sun's Java tutorials to be utterly lacking in
>> >> that
>> >> respect.  Sun's site is great for learning how to implement the
>> specific
>> >> technologies, but not on why you'd want to implement those
>> technologies,
>> >> IMO.  YMMV.
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > James Sumners
>> > http://james.roomfullofmirrors.com/
>> >
>> > "All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts
>> > pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it
>> > is magnetic to the corruptible. Such people have a tendency to become
>> > drunk on violence, a condition to which they are quickly addicted."
>> >
>> > Missionaria Protectiva, Text QIV (decto)
>> > CH:D 59
>> >
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