[ale] unusual global warming experiment

[Damon L. Chesser]

On Thu, 2010-02-11 at 07:26 -0500, Geoffrey wrote:
> wolf at wolfhalton.info wrote:
> > The whole argument is like assuming trends in the value of stocks by 
> > their daily up-ticks and down-ticks.
> > People are being very reactive to global warming as if they are going to 
> > be punished when daddy gets home.
> > "No sir! I didn't cause no global warming.  Look, it snowed in New England!"
> > 
> > It may be too late to reverse the trend, even though we could reduce 
> > greenhouse gasses by shuttering the factory feedlot operations that get 
> > us inexpensive beef.  Even though it may be too late, we can still 
> > refrain from making it worse   by learning to eat one less burger per 
> > week.  The ship may be sinking, but at least you can stop opening 
> > windows below the water line.
> > The entire history of humanity has been a string of "how we deal with 
> > the unanticipated consequences of our decisions," including technical 
> > advances and distribution systems.
> > 
> > Most of the pollution around cities is caused by factory stacks, 
> > specifically the burning of coal, but the spin magicians make it the 
> > "fault of the masses" by saying we can solve those emission geysers by 
> > reducing the emissions of cars. 
> 
> I'd like to see data on this.  I for one think that we need to figure 
> out that the solution to traffic is NOT laying another two or three 
> lanes on I75.  I think our transportation technology is 100 years 
> behind.  Certainly we can come up with better transportation solutions? 
>   I'm not disagreeing with your point, I just see the growth of traffic 
> and wonder where the hell we are headed with this.  When will people 
> finally say enough is enough and give up on the 2 hour one way commute?
> 
> Certainly, if we could reduce the traffic impact, it would help with the 
> overall problem?

IF there is an overall problem.  That has yet to be shown.  The hottest
year on record is 1934 "Four of the top 10 years of US CONUS high
temperature deviations are now from the 1930s: 1934, 1931, 1938 and
1939, while only 3 of the top 10 are from the last 10 years (1998, 2006,
1999). Several years (2000, 2002, 2003, 2004) fell well down the
leaderboard, behind even 1900. (World rankings of temperature are
calculated separately.)"
( http://www.norcalblogs.com/watts/2007/08/1998_no_longer_the_hottest_yea.html ) Which is almost 100 years ago.

And on a separate note: NASA wants to remove cars from the interstate
all together to allow the semi-trucks to use them to haul our freight. 

http://news.discovery.com/videos/tech-nasas-puffin-your-personal-aircraft.html
http://as.nasa.gov/factsheet/SATS_Fact_Sheet.htm

In case you are wondering, Yes, I think man can change the weather.
Just set off a few hundred nukes and watch the change.  However, I think
GW or Climate Change is far from proved.  And if it is Climate Change,
and if Climate Change is making it warmer how do we know warmer is not
better? Or that it is man made?  We are getting out of a cold segment
the included at least one summer that was non-existent.  A few million
years ago, the average temp in Argentina was something like 75F
(calculated by the temperature needed to support the largest anaconda
remains found). Ever read the history of the Revolution and how tied it
was to the cold, harsh winter?  I always wondered about that when I was
younger because I don't remember winter being like it was during those 8
years. 


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Damon
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