[ale] OT: Out in left field or in the sewers of The Big Apple

[Jeff Lightner]

Its not holding others responsible for your responsibilities.   Its
holding them responsible for THEIR responsibilities if they didn't put
up safety barricades around the manhole.

Talking about traffic and subway entrances is a red herring.   We aren't
talking about normal hazards - we're talking about a hole where normally
there is a cover.  There is a reason why you'll see new traffic signals
flashing for a week to a month before they're turned on - its to get
people used to the fact that there is a change in environment.

-----Original Message-----
From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of
Thompson Freeman
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 3:52 PM
To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux!
Subject: Re: [ale] OT: Out in left field or in the sewers of The Big
Apple



On 07/13/2009 02:56:17 PM, Jim Kinney wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Jeff Lightner
> <jlightner at water.com> wrote:
> 
> >   Still -  why were the putting up safety cones AFTER
> opening the manhole?
> >
> 
<<snip>>

> Sheesh. I thought I was "one of the liberals" here :-)
> 

Last I checked, being "liberal" doesn't mean you hold  
others responsible for "your" responsibilities. If you  
cannot text and have a solid grasp of your surroundings,  
don't text and do _anything_ else. (Which pretty much means  
that nobody should text when trying to do much of anything  
because _nobody_ seems able to guarentee situational  
awareness and text.) Instead of a man hole, she could have  
just as easily pushed somebodyelse in the man hole, or into  
traffic. Getting mugged is also easier when distracted, but  
there were apparently too many witnesses for that...

> >
> >
> > Most OSHA requirements deal with setting up safety
> environment first and
> > then starting the work.  Attaching a tether on a high
> rise after you've
> > started your fall seldom works...
> >

It's too late for the safety glasses when the reaction  
bumps and starts spewing caustic around, it's too late for  
good footwear when you drop the brick over your foot, and  
so forth. Open a man hole, a nice barricade in the way  
first qualifies as a good idea.

> >
> >  ------------------------------
> >
> > *From:* ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Jim
> > Kinney
> > *Sent:* Monday, July 13, 2009 2:22 PM
> > *To:* Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux!
> > *Subject:* Re: [ale] OT: Out in left field or in the
> sewers of The Big
> > Apple
> >
> >
> >
> > Bozo child was a teenager (definition of dumb in many
> cases). Workers were
> > apparently standing there setting up safety cones. All I
> read out if this
> > was: stupid teen was NOT paying attention and walked
> into a hole. She could
> > have just as easily fallen into traffic.
> >
> >
> > Do we have to resort to this?
> >  
> http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1724522,00.html
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Richard Bronosky
> <Richard at bronosky.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > I'm sorry, I have to agree with the parents on this one.
> Knowingly
> > leaving a manhole cover off without a barrier is
> unacceptable. We are
> > all eager to condemn a pop-tart on a cellphone, but as
> the father of a
> > 1 & 2 year old I don't like the idea that there could be
> a > 2ft
> > diameter hole in a sidewalk.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Scott
> Castaline<skotchman at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > How low can we go?!?! Saw this in Wired
> > >
> > >
> >  
>
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/07/girl-falls-into-manhole-while-tex
ting-parents-sue/
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