[ale] Firefox Keeps Freezing After Flash Upgrade - OT

Fri Oct 24 18:58:25 EDT 2008

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 18:07, Jeff Lightner <jlightner at water.com> wrote:
> Personally I don't understand folks that don't like top posting.  When
> I'm reading emails in a thread I'm usually keeping up with them so would
> prefer to read the "top post" in latest email than read through all the
> stuff I'd already seen to get to it.   We can disagree on that and its
> clear different people on the list do.

FWIW, I think that bottom posting is better for public conversations,
because it allows a newcomer to follow the topic as it unfolded,
without having to backtrack.

This may be a shibboleth for telling Usenet oldtimers from post-AOL
Internet users.....

For private conversations (email), I much prefer the topic be trimmed
as needed - I'll have the older messages if I need them.

>
> Top sigging, as you call it, is a completely different thing.  When I
> saw (and didn't comment) the first time he did it the post looked like
> its only intent was to proselytize but when I looked at the bottom I saw
> that there was an actual response.
>
> However, when he did it again it made it clear to me that the purpose in
> "top sigging" was indeed to make it prominent and thereby proselytize
> and I responded to that.
>
> How would he (or you) feel if every post I made had a "top sig" of
> "Allah Akbar" or "Satan is my Master"?  Or how would the conservatives
> on the list feel if every post had a "top sig" of "W destroyed America"?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of
> Geoffrey
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 3:13 PM
> To: ale at ale.org
> Subject: Re: [ale] Firefox Keeps Freezing After Flash Upgrade
>
> Jeff Lightner wrote:
>> Do we really need this proselytizing at the beginning of posts?
>
> Lighten up, we see all kind of sigs fly through the list.  Since you're
> top posting, what's wrong with top 'sigging?'
>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of
> Marc
>> Ferguson
>> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 1:28 PM
>> To: ale at ale.org
>> Subject: Re: [ale] Firefox Keeps Freezing After Flash Upgrade
>>
>>
>>
>> ---
>> Marc F.
>>
>> "..Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to
>> come.." -Rev1:4
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 7:01 AM, Marc Ferguson
> <marcferguson at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> ---
>> Marc F.
>>
>> "..Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to
>> come.." -Rev1:4
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:16 AM, Marc Ferguson
> <marcferguson at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 8:49 AM, Joey Rutledge <joey at joeyrutledge.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>       Marc Ferguson wrote, On 10/22/2008 06:12 AM:
>>
>>       > Hi Fellas,
>>       >
>>       > I need a bit of help with figuring out why my Firefox keeps
>> crashing.
>>       > I did a "strace firefox" and the results are posted here:
>>       > http://rafb.net/p/G6lnpk54.html
>>       >
>>       > I originally wanted to figure out why Fedora's audio seemed to
>> be
>>       > single-threaded.  I can play one audio device at a time.  If I
>> had
>>       > Banshee playing, I could watch any YouTube videos (well I
>> could, but
>>       > there would be no sound).  So; I asked someone from the
>> #fedora IRC
>>       > and they told me to install "libflashsupport.i386" because
>> Flash 9
>>       > doesn't support pulseaudio too well.  So; I installed it and
>> it
>>       > worked.  Very soon after it played on Flash file, I tried to
>> play
>>       > another and my browser froze.  Since then I've copied and
>> pasted the
>>       > latest Flash 10.so into my firefox plugin's directory and the
>> same
>>       > thing happens?
>>       >
>>       > I saw in the output (on line 67, 368, 369, etc) that it's
>> referencing
>>       > my download folder for flash 10, why?
>>       >
>>       > ---
>>       > Marc F.
>>       >
>>       > "..Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who
>> is to
>>       > come.." -Rev1:4
>>
>>       >
>>
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>>       >
>>       This seems really similar to an issue I had recently.  Depending
>> on what
>>       version of Firefox you are using there is a known bug for
>> version 3.0.1
>>       (maybe others?) and windowless mode SWF files.  For me my
>> browser would
>>       crash anytime I went to a site that had flash ads, such as
>>       wunderground.com or cnn.com.
>>
>>       I am not necessarily saying that your issue is the same but it
>> might be
>>       worth an investigation.  Basically in /etc/adobe/mms.cfg (create
>> it if
>>       you don't have one) you set "WindowlessDisable = 1"
>>
>>       Here is the page that talks about the bug:
>>
>> http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2008/08/windowless_mode_fix.html
>>
>>       Joey
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>>
>>
>> Thanks Joey.  I'll give it a try when I get home today.
>>
>>
>>
>> I didn't find that file on my system.  I then went to #fedora to ask
> and
>> they lead me to this site,
>> http://fedorasolved.org/browser-solutions/flash/?searchterm=flash.  As
>> of date I haven't fixed the problem yet and I'm even more confused now
>> than ever.  All of this crashing happened after I installed
>> "libflashsupport.i386".  Damn, I wish I didn't.  Is there a way to go
>> back to status quo?  I already removed libflashsupport - how about my
>> firefox config files?  Thanks.
>>
>>
>> So; just to give an update.  I removed "flash-player" through my
> package
>> manager (flash version 10) and then installed it again.  My firefox
>> still crashes, but it seems to crash only after I leave a site that
>> flash was playing on.  Before; it would crash after playing 1 flash
>> movie - now (for example: YouTube) I can watch multiple flash movies,
>> but if I go to another web site it'll crash.
>>
>> Is there a way to reset this craziness.  I've already uninstalled
>> "libflashsupport", but that's where it all started going south!
> Thanks
>> for any help.
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