[ale] Sunday 05-22-05 6PM RUN-AS-ROOT CHALLENGE

[Jerry Yu]

I think you are the one who needs to go back through the thread, Drew.
The very need to restore marks the failure of any system (together with your 
its-100%-safe-for-me claim), while the risk of such failure can be mitigated 
greatly by a not-root-all-the-time practice.

On 5/18/05, ChangingLINKS.com <http://ChangingLINKS.com> <
groups at changinglinks.com> wrote:
> 
> > your ability to restore to a clean state quickly is NOT what this
> > discussion is about. Anybody can image a drive, keep a hot-swap, or
> > whatnot. That's not the point.
> >
> > --George
> 
> Oh GEEZ!
> 
> Go back through the thread, Carless.
> What IS the point?
> The point (now) is whether or not Linux can be run as root safely.
> Some say "No." They give a list of reasons why including:
> The machine becoming a zombie, less security, fumble fingers, etc.
> 
> By structuring the challenge THIS WAY (as in "do ANYTHING to my box") I am
> allowing for all of those "bad things" to happen. The worst of the worst.
> Bring everything you listed WHILE I am running as root.
> 
> To be able to shrug off ALL of those problems is the point.
> 
> To be able to run as root with reasonable safety is the point.
> --
> Wishing you Happiness, Joy, and Laughter,
> Drew Brown
> http://www.ChangingLINKS.com
> 
> P.S. I add "reasonable" here because people will start mentioning things 
> like
> physically removing the box from the house or coming up with tests THEIR
> computers wouldn't pass running as root or not.
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