[ale] Greg's using "those guys" ; -) (was: could somebody moderate this?)

[Barry Hawkins]

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On Oct 7, 2004, at 12:03 PM, Kenneth W Cochran wrote:

>> From: Barry Hawkins <barry at alltc.com>
>> Subject: [ale] Greg's using "those guys" ;
>> 	-)  (was: could somebody moderate this?)
>> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:26:11 -0400
>> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org>
>>
>> On Oct 7, 2004, at 9:40 AM, Preston Boyington wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>>>> * Needs to be easily updatable.  CVSup is ok.  I am fine with
>>>> a command line.
>>>
>>> err, apt-get?  aptitude?
>>
>> I have found apt-get and aptitude quite good, and better at 
>> identifying
>> dependency issues than CVSup, but that's just my personal opinion from
>> experience.
>
> CVSup doesn't "do" dependency things (at least not from
> what I've ever seen), it only updates the source tree.
> Dependencies would be handled via the various makefiles & such
> (e.g. the toolchain).
Yes.  This is a better explanation of the difference.  Unfortunately, I 
have had a number of unpleasant experiences with dependencies not being 
handled via the makefiles and/or dependencies being broken on installed 
apps when subsequent ports using a shared library replaced the existing 
version.

> [...]
>
>> For a laptop that needs a decent collection of userland apps,
>> definitely FreeBSD.
>> [...]
>>>> FreeBSD has java,jboss, netbeans, and smarty in it's package
>>>> system.  No one else has any of them (linux only has java).  They 
>>>> have
>>>> embraced java as well as kept things relatively light.  Is used by
>>>> many large
>>>> installations.  I am well versed in OpenBSD so it's familiar and
>>>> easily updateable (but it puts a strain on the system during make
>>>> (buildworld/installworld/buildkernel/installkernel) as
>>>> opposed to Debians binary download).  FreeBSD will also allow me to
>>>> use packages
>>>> or ports (more configurable).  Just hope it recognizes the
>>>> shift-fn-keypad
>>>> combo (IT DOES !!! DANG !! SWEET!!) so I can manipulate screen 
>>>> resolutions
>>>> on the box.
>>>
>> A couple of caveats on FreeBSD's java support.  First, there is no
>> native jdk/jre.  You have to use Linux JDKs with Linux binary
>
> Oh, but there is, running it now.  (Althought mine is built from
> source.)  It's available in both binary and source; look for
> the "diablo" things in packages.  Caveat - it's 1.3.something.
> The FreeBSD project got their 1.3.x Java certified a few months
> ago, IIR(U)C.
Yeah, I forgot to specify 1.4.x explicitly.

>> compatibility enabled.  Second, you can compile your own native JDK
>> using the java/jdk14 port in FreeBSD, but be aware that it is a 
>> journey
>> involving the initial install of the Sun Linux JDK to bootstrap the
>> build, the download of several of the Sun SCSL-licensed source package
>> (you have to download these manually, due to licensing technicalities;
>> the package cannot do it automatically), the download of the necessary
>> patchset from the guy at eyesbeyond.com who maintains it on his own,
>> and then the install.  At the end of all that effort, you find that 
>> the
>> licensing implies stuff so shaky that you expect to get an email from
>> Scott McNealy with an MP3 of the C.O.P.S. soundtrack attached to it -
>> appropriately licensed, of course.
>
> Main thing I've seen with the 1.4 built is that it's humongous
> (2gb or so?) & takes a long time.
>
>> If Java support is a big issue for you, I would urge you to consider a
>> full-fledged Debian install.
>
> Well, the "latest & greatest" Java support is (at least for
> the moment) "elsewhere" from FreeBSD {sigh}.  But they're working on 
> it...
Yes, they are a great group and development is active in the FreeBSD 
java community

Thanks,

Barry C. Hawkins
All Things Computed
site: www.alltc.com
weblog: www.yepthatsme.com


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