[ale] Indian outsourcing

[George Johnson]

Greg wrote:

>Well, I guess it's time for my 2 cents ...  I agree with Andrew.  Life at
>20-something and life at 40 are two different situations.  The abstract
>theory bs that goes down in chic coffee shops isn't what a lot of Americans
>are experiencing and I think that will become evident in the next election.
>Irregardless of what your bank account says, it is still one person, one
>vote (more or less) and I kinda don't really expect to see Bush v2.0 in
>office too much longer.  I keep hearing about the recovery, but most of my
>IT friends have left and pursued other careers (real estate seems to be big
>for some reason).  Meanwhile the divide between the have and have nots grows
>more so in this country.
>
>Also, I probably wouldn't mind if the Indians were better, but it isn't
>that - it's that they live in a cheap society that is incomparable to ours.
>So let's be fair and level the playing field.  When it costs the same to
>live over there as here, then talk about fairness.  Try saddling the Indians
>with the same costs of living, taxes and government regulations *then*
>compare us with only coding skills as the variable .... I mean you wouldn't
>compare 2 different software packages on 2 different boxes, would you ?
>(Linux on a 286 and MS on a quad Zeon ?).
>
>I think the whole thing boils down to greed (no, not wanting to make money,
>but greed.  There's a difference) ... the same thing that brought us Enron
>et al., the Iraq conflict, and a whole mess of other problems -  in society,
>in politics, and in business.  And it always ends up bad for someone
>everytime.
>
>And as far as working a project half way around the world and expecting it
>to work as well as having the folks who are 1 cubicle over ... well .. ok
>... I guess common sense isn't that common ...  Funny what consultants and
>B-schools teach, but if they are so freakin' brilliant, then why aren't they
>all millionaires ?  Being able to go to an actual end user and say "OK, show
>me *exactly* what you want" is priceless.  The other option is trusting a
>business analyst to get it right - when that analyst is neither the person
>doing the job nor coding the software and is possibly unintelligible, or to
>be pc "lacking in verbal skills" (i.e. no normal American can understand
>their brand of "English") .  While it may work great for some projects
>(Linux, BSD), other software projects have different requirements and
>environments.
>
>Just my opinion (worth about 50 rupees),
>
>Greg
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org]On Behalf Of
>>Andrew Newton
>>Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 2:24 PM
>>To: stephen at touset.org; Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
>>Subject: Re: [ale] Indian outsourcing
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>>Stephen Touset wrote:
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>>>On Thu, 2004-01-29 at 12:52, Cleon wrote:
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>>>>It's incredibly easy to justify or support people losing their jobs
>>>>when you haven't lost yours.
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>>>Last I checked, I haven't been able to get a decent IT job either. Why
>>>do you think I have so much time to write entries in my blog?
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>>Do you have dependents or a mortgage riding on that paycheck?  Have you
>>spent 10, 15, or 20 years refining your craft?  Once you are heavily
>>invested, this is not a academic paper on labor and trade practices, but
>>an honest-to-God, real-life, bank-repossessing, heart-ache and despair
>>situation.
>>
>>I do not advocate protectionist policies and certainly think the Indians
>>are just as entitled to compete for those jobs as we are, but if the
>>answer is "Suck it up, it's a dog-eat-dog world out there" then we might
>>as well drop ALL pretenses of civility and regress to might-makes-right
>>rules.
>>
>>And "free-trade" is for corporate shills trying to bleed every penny out
>>of a "human resource."  It should be about "fair trade".  After all,
>>this lowers prices, but does it seem right to you?
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>>>http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/7/35190.html
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>>-andy
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I  am one of those looking at real estate.  I will become an real estate 
agent soon as I pass the test.  I am also working on the financial 
planning field too.  Might as well get some of the money from some of 
those greedy types selling our jobs over seas.

By the way, there is no such word as "irreguardless". 

JM2
George