[ale] Training costs (was ANN: Linux Training Class, Atlanta, GA, 13-15 Oct.)

[Dow Hurst]

SGI gave admin courses on IRIX which ranged from Basic Sysadmin to 
Networking to Advanced.  All prices were higher than these at $2500 
minimum for 4.5 days.  We had well qualified instructors but could only 
cover basics in the time allotted.  I actually think the price is right 
on or a bit low compared to other courses.  Commercial course have 
always been expensive from a single consumer's standpoint.  A business 
that would send someone is usually large enough to need and afford the 
training.  It's a expense for the company anyway.  It is just that many 
who would take the class are having to on their own finances which 
changes the equation a bit.  It is hard to be able to know how many 
students will register, but a minimum of 20 would probably allow a lower 
course price.  SGI used to require 5 people be registered before they 
would guarantee the course would not be canceled.  You'd get your money 
back if it was.
Dow


Crawford Rainwater wrote:

>On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 16:12, Matty wrote:
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>>  10. Re: ANN: Linux Training Class, Atlanta, GA, 13-15 Oct. (Matty)
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>>Message: 10
>>Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:55:50 -0400
>>From: Matty <matty91 at bellsouth.net>
>>Subject: Re: [ale] ANN: Linux Training Class, Atlanta, GA, 13-15 Oct.
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>>On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 16:02, Jonathan Rickman wrote:
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>>>On Monday 22 September 2003 15:45, Dylan Northrup wrote:
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>>>>I was pointing out that $1000 is a lot of money for an Intro course.
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>>>Could you be any more subtle? $1000 is absurd for a 3 day course with an 
>>>instructor that, most likely, nobody has ever heard of.
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>>hehehe .... you should tell my SAN vendor this ;) My employer paid $5000
>>for one week worth of SAN training (Fibre Channel details, switch
>>specifics, etc. etc.). I am curious why classes are so expensive. Rooms,
>>teachers, equipment and coffee can't cost that much.
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>Humor aside...
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>Average costs (non-specific to Atlanta):
>- Room with computers and "snacks": ~$1000/day
>- Instructor: ~$750/day + expenses
>- Training material: ~$250/student (books, pens, CDs, etc.)
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>Typically most metropolitan areas will be higher on the class room
>rental per day as well, compared to an "on site" training job at a
>company since an "on site" group can incur the costs internally be
>providing the training facility (IBM for example here).
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>And that is shopping around for "the best deals" with the quality too,
>not the "computer class in the garage special" as someone referenced to
>earlier.
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>I admit though, SANS classes are more expensive when it comes to IT
>training, but then again, if you look at the better security training
>out there, they all cost roughly the same with instructors getting paid
>$1k+ easily per day plus expenses, if not typically more.  And the
>results are quality security staff (if they did not get overloaded with
>the course itself of course ;-)).
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>FWIW.
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>Sincerely,
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