[ale] Mobo suggestions

Sat Jun 28 00:23:03 EDT 2003

After I bought my SunBlade I couldn't find a single thing that it did better
than an Athlon. It is at 5 hundred and something MHz and the Athlon I had
was at 700.  Maybe the Suns are better somewhat with the bigger bus sizes
and backplanes, but the SunBlade is a piece of crap.  It ran everything on
Java and it was slower than running it on a PDA.  A web search for the
"advantages" of 64 bit cpu's revealed to me that you are exactly correct on
what a 64 bit processor is good at as far as tasks, but I am no expert.

Greg

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ale-admin at ale.org [mailto:ale-admin at ale.org]On Behalf Of Matty
> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 8:41 PM
> To: ale at ale.org
> Subject: RE: [ale] Mobo suggestions
>
>
> I personally think that 64-bit CPUs are hyped more than they should be.
> While there are a limited number of 64-bit instructions in the SPARC
> instruction set, most applications are not compiled to use them. I think
> the best benefits are the ability to access 2^44 bytes of memory on the
> SPARC platform, and the ability to address 64-bit floating point
> registers. I personally feel that the medias misrepresents what the
> 64-bit platforms provide. Am I missing something?
>
> - Ryan
>
> On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 19:44, Greg wrote:
> > What advantages are you looking for in a 64 bit processor ?  I
> know that 64
> > bit processors are better for heavy database's, CAD, and
> graphics.  Is there
> > something else that they are faster for than these ?  I have a Sparc
> > SunBlade and it was slow as crap running Solaris and Java (both
> made by Sun
> > so you would think that they would do better than a simple 1
> GHZ Athlon or
> > even a 700 MHz Athlon) to the point that I just put OpenBSD on
> it and said
> > to hell with it.  Did you look at the new Apple ?  or even a
> used Sparc ?
> > (since the dot com bust the leasing folks are practically
> giving them away).
> >
> > Just wondering.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ale-admin at ale.org [mailto:ale-admin at ale.org]On Behalf
> Of James P.
> > > Kinney III
> > > Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 12:04 PM
> > > To: ale at ale.org
> > > Subject: Re: [ale] Mobo suggestions
> > >
> > >
> > > VMWare is on the list to play with. I have v. 4.0 so it's recent.
> > >
> > > On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 11:55, Dow Hurst wrote:
> > > > Thanks for the post!  Nice price!  Sorry about the lack of
> > > apps.  You are definitely in new territory for the next few
> > > months as developers catch up to the 64bit environment.  Does
> > > VMware offer a route to run a 32bit virtual machine in a 64bit
> > > environment?  You could run a virtual Linux with Openoffice if
> > > that was available.
> > > > Dow
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >>> jkinney at localnetsolutions.com 06/27/03 11:37 AM >>>
> > > > On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 07:56, Dow Hurst wrote:
> > > > > Now here is the question:  Are you willing to state publicly
> > > what it cost?;-)
> > > > > Dow
> > > > >
> > > > $2000 with the one CPU. The second is an additional $325.
> The RAM is in
> > > > 4 512M sticks. They were out of the 1G ECC. That shaved
> >$150 off the
> > > > final.
> > > >
> > > > There are several sticking points with the RH preview
> release. (I can't
> > > > get my hands on either a Mandrake or a SUSE for the x86_64)
> > > > 1. NO JAVA! (see below)
> > > > 2. NO OPENOFFICE!
> > > >
> > > > I am looking at the source for OpenOffice now to see if it
> is compilable
> > > > with out the JDK stuff. The ia64 JDK pukes when it sees the
> glibc. %*^@
> > > > closed-source headaches!
> > > >
> > > > The prebuilt kernel is not very memory efficient. I'm
> looking into that
> > > > as well. With a 2G pile of ram, and only 1G used, why is _any_ swap
> > > > space being used?
> > > >
> > > > Nautilus is still as slow a molasses in winter (what a
> piece of crap.
> > > > Pretty crap. But s  l  o  w  crap)
> > > >
> > > > Apache hauls ass, though! I have only done some prelim looking at
> > > > PostgreSQL as I don't have my full setup on line yet, but it is
> > > > noticeably faster.
> > > > >
> > > > > >>> jkinney at moat.localnetsolutions.com 06/26/03 23:53 PM >>>
> > > >
> > > > > Well, Monarch got some of my money today. I am now the busy,
> > > drooling owner of a dual Opteron 240 system with 2G ram, Adaptec
> > > SCSI 160 card, a Western Digital 120G 7200 rpm HD, and a new
> > > liteon 54xATAPI CDRW all parked in a black full tower LianLi case.
> > > > >
> > > > > OK. So it only has the one Opteron CPU in right now. They ran
> > > out. I bought the last one. They are a PIA to install, too. It
> > > requires a frame support bracket that is attached to the
> > > underside of the motherboard. So I'll be pulling the board out
> > > next week to install the other CPU when it comes in.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm running a preview copy of RH 9 for the opteron cpu. No
> > > tweaking yet on the kernel. It runs pretty well. No
> > > OpenOffice.org in this so I guess I'll be grabbing it tomorrow
> > > since I pretty much live in front of it these days.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mmmm. 64bit PostgreSQL.
> > > > >
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