[ale] recovering an ext3 drive

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I have a hard time understanding the opinion you have. I just don't get it. 
Why not have the default a recycle bin to protect people from their mistakes?
What are the costs?

You imply that making a mistake is "stupidity" and that there is some great 
benefit for people suffering or being punished for accidents? Where does that 
come from? (I hear some doctor in the background claiming your parents did 
this to you).

Darwin's rules should be given a bigger priority than they currently do. 
Why?

We don't need to be protected from ourselves. 
Why not?

We sure don't need to be protected from our own stupidity.
Why not?

What is benefit of "delete" over "hide"?
(I am thinking that if one really NEEDS something to be "gone" now they must 
"delete" it and THEN write random information over the disk space several 
times ANYWAY).

I am glad that the way things are and the way things are going are contrary to 
your position. 

James, you, Geoffrey and I all have something in common:

                        We all deleted data that we wanted back.

It seems like I am the only one who admits that there should be a way to get 
the data back as easily as recovering a recycle bin. (I do believe that there 
should be a "shred" that deletes sensitive data forever - with several 
warnings that the data will be over-written and unrecoverable even to 
government).

Re-reading your post over and over has left me with the conclusion that you 
think we are all "stupid" and the data should have been unrecoverable in all 
cases. 

Drew

PS: The questions above are *not* rhetorical.







On Sunday 19 January 2003 22:02, James P. Kinney III wrote:
> This is one of my FAVORITE topics (having deleted stuff by accident
> once)
>
> On Sun, 2003-01-19 at 22:05, Geoffrey wrote:
> > > I believe the day will come where undeleting data on Linux partitions
> > > will be as easy as it is in FAT32/FAT16 Windows. The position of "let
> > > the user suffer for their mistake of having to use the software" will
> > > (and should be) eliminated.
>
> I disagree. If a person is given an axe, is shown that an axe can cut
> all sorts of stuff, told to not hit their foot with the axe, then they
> hit their foot with the axe anyway, accident or deliberate, they have
> learned a valuable, albeit harsh, lesson. Darwin's rules should be given
> a bigger priority than they currently do. We don't need to be protected
> from ourselves. We sure don't need to be protected from our own
> stupidity.
>
> If Fred the IQ challenged office schlep deletes the companies Quickbooks
> files, he should probably not be accessing them anyway. The admin at the
> office should have a backup copy from the day before. The rules still
> apply here. The more important the information, the better the
> protection on it. It is possible to make filesystems in Linux appendable
> only. Eats up hard drives, but at $200 for 200 GB, who cares?!
>
> > > Desktop computers should be user friendly and somewhat forgiving.
> > > The trend is that Linux, got a GUI and is becoming more user friendly.
>
> Not too long ago, you had to have a PhD to touch a computer. Now any
> bozo can buy one from WalMart. Most people are simply not knowledgeable
> enough to avoid deleting files they need. Those people should never have
> root or administrative access. After they delete their homework or
> checkbook a few times they will either learn to THINK BEFORE THEY PUSH
> THE BUTTON, or they will decide that computers are not for them. Either
> way, it will be a learning event for them. Which is what they need.
>
> I'm not directing any of this tirade at anyone on this list or off. I
> just a bit chaffed at the need for tools to undo something that is very
> clear and easy to understand. If you tell the box to delete, throw away,
> discard, get rid of, shred, or incinerate a file, it should do just
> that. That file should be GONE! No chance ever of recovering it.  I
> think the M$ way of store it in the trash can even though I select
> delete is bad psychology. It should say "to trash can" or "dump later".
>
> Apple got it completely wrong with the "drag the floppy to the trash can
> to EJECT!?" mess. But what else could they do? They only have one mouse
> button! Bwahaha!
>
> RedHat 8 and Gnome got it right. I can select "move to trash" or I can
> get rid of the file completely with "delete".
>
> Maybe there should be a "dumpster-diving" command that "rescues
> treasures" from the trash can on the desktop :) M$ could use one. I
> think I'll patent it.
>
> > Now you and I need to hook up so I can buy you a beer....
>
> Mmmmm. Beer! But you only referred to beer in the singular?

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Wishing you Happiness, Joy, and Laughter,
Drew Brown
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