[ale] Wireless Design Suggestions
Geoffrey
esoteric at 3times25.net
Wed Jan 1 11:47:04 EST 2003
Dow Hurst wrote:
> It is a long way compared to running cable thru your house. I don't
> know the specs right off, but someone else probably has them memorized. :-)
I did the research before I ran my cable, it's 100m.
>
> If you've ever watched an alarm installation, it is amazing how
> seamlessly wire can be installed in finished walls. I am sure that
> having a single cable professionally done shouldn't cost over $100.
> Anyone on the list know how to do this right? I've run cables and have
> some nice tools but wouldn't claim a professional touch. Not like the
> guy that put in our house alarm. That was amazing to watch.
Well, to be honest, I could have run my alarm cabling better then Brinks
did here. It's okay, but there's a couple spots where it's visible and
there was a better (although more difficult solution).
If you have the right tools, you can do a pretty decent job. Inside
walls are pretty easy as you (generally don't run into anything like
insulation and such. I've run cat5, tv cable and power lines in various
situations. There are various ways to obscure cabling without having to
run it through the walls. Cat5 runs pretty easily along the wall where
the carpet meets. I've been able to completely obscure tv cable there
as well. the space between the concrete or flooring and the trip on the
wall is usually generous enought for you to simply push the cable
between the trip and carpet. I've also run cat5 under carpet. Tried
that with tv cable and it was visible though.
>
> Since you've finished walls and ceilings, your house is new to you, and
> your wife wants things to look right, I would either do wireless or hire
> someone who can do the install with a professional touch. Wireless
> bandwidth is far beyond the ADSL speed of your connection so is a real
> option. Read up on the VPN options under Linux and then try out
> Geoffrey's idea of two wireless cards. Beat on us for help on the
> stumper problems with the VPN. Or, hire a professional installer to put
> in one cable run.
Man I wish I had the time for a bunch of us to meet over at Robert's new
place and really figure this one out. :) I'll be we would have someone
with that little light go on above their head. :)
Then again Robert (or more likely his wife) might not be interested in a
colony of geeks descending upon their new home. :)
> Dow
>
>
> Robert L. Harris wrote:
>
>> What's the max length of CAT5 running 100M without loss?
>>
>> (yes there's a finished ceiling and she want's minimal visual impact)
>>
>>
>> Thus spake Dow Hurst (dhurst at kennesaw.edu):
>>
>>
>>
>>> From the server room can you go up into the attic, over to a inside
>>> wall that you could drop all the way down to the basement? I have a
>>> vertical enclosed area in my house where the furnace exhaust pipe is
>>> placed that is ideal for such a job. You can make such long runs
>>> with ethernet that you could go up thru the attic, out an attic vent,
>>> down to the gutter, across and in the gutter to a downspout, out the
>>> downspout, over to the dryer vent, thru the wall, underneath the
>>> carpet, and finally into the server room. Here is a big ;-) on that!
>>> Dow
>>>
>>> PS. Truly a crackpot at heart! :-)
>>>
>>> Robert L. Harris wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> This is exactly why I hit the list, I respect probably 99% of the
>>>> opionins on this list as intelligent and non-crackpot. I of corse
>>>> belong in the 1% most would argue...
>>>>
>>>> I'll try and describe it best I can as I'm not living there and can't
>>>> upload pics or a diagram. Description is as if standing in the front
>>>> door looking at the back wall.
>>>>
>>>> 2story house.
>>>> 1st floor is layed out with 4 rooms with a hallway going down the
>>>> middle of the left and right halves. Garage is attached on the side to
>>>> the right, out of the scenario. Family room where I want the one desk
>>>> with the 3 computers is in the far left corner and the desk will go on
>>>> the outside,backside wall.
>>>>
>>>> 2nd floor is pretty much identicle except the 2 farthest rooms are
>>>> merged into one master bedroom/bathroom. The "server room" will be in
>>>> the closest room on the left.
>>>>
>>>> As a result I have to go from top front left of the house to bottom
>>>> left back of the house. I have to check out the actual "filler" in the
>>>> walls and how thick the floors if I can drop from the 2nd floor to the
>>>> first, through the floor into the crawlspace below, then across to the
>>>> wall where I want to put the desk and back up but that's putting a
>>>> lot of
>>>> holes in floors and probably walls to get to the floors between the
>>>> walls to drop down.
>>>>
>>>> No she won't let me run a cable out the window and back in the house
>>>> downstairs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thus spake Geoffrey (esoteric at 3times25.net):
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Excellent point. I've done some esoteric things to get cat5 from
>>>>> my basement to my 2nd floor. It took probably twice as much cable,
>>>>> but I'm still married. :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert, what say you share the site layout and see if we can come
>>>>> up with a wired solution that's acceptable? After all, more geeks
>>>>> then you can shake a stick (of memory) at on this list, someone
>>>>> might see something you didn't consider...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> James P. Kinney III wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Wireless networking absolutely SUCKS!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Slow. Expensive. Slow. SLow. SLOw. SLOW!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unless you drop the $$$$$ for 802.11a which still runs a single
>>>>>> connection only at half the speed of a crappy wired connection.
>>>>>> Dropping a cat5e line between floors is not _that_ difficult. It's
>>>>>> also
>>>>>> cheap. For the cost of a decent AP, you can wire the entire house
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> cat5e. 8 port 100BaseT switches can be had for $40.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Besides, how much microwave radiation does your spouse want bouncing
>>>>>> through her? Or you for that matter? Be realistic. How long can the
>>>>>> laptop run not plugged into the wall? Do you really want to
>>>>>> reduce the
>>>>>> network speed in your house to that of a dialup line? Remember,
>>>>>> unless
>>>>>> you get the latest stuff (not all supported in Linux), wireless is
>>>>>> not a
>>>>>> full duplex transmission. And don't use the cordless phone while
>>>>>> you are
>>>>>> downloading.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 2002-12-30 at 13:38, Robert L. Harris wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ok, looks like we're finally getting a house next month. At any
>>>>>>> rate,
>>>>>>> it's a 2 story and my server room will be upstairs but I'll need
>>>>>>> to hook
>>>>>>> up 3 machines downstairs. I've got the ports on my 2 switches to
>>>>>>> run a
>>>>>>> cable but my wife has pretty much infomred me I'll be sleeping on
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> garage floor if I do it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm thinking of going to Costco and getting their netger wireless
>>>>>>> kit
>>>>>>> for $150 which has an access point and a card. I can then put the
>>>>>>> single card into a dedicated server in the server room and the
>>>>>>> access
>>>>>>> point in my living room. That way the 3 machines downstairs can use
>>>>>>> their switch to uplink to the AP. 2 of the machines are dual
>>>>>>> boot so I
>>>>>>> don't want to use them as a router. The 3rd is a laptop which
>>>>>>> will be
>>>>>>> traveling.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The server upstairs will be running 192.168.1/24 off the wireless
>>>>>>> card
>>>>>>> and be using mac filtering for starters and then going from there
>>>>>>> as I
>>>>>>> learn how to tighten it down more.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not worried about anyone stealing BW from me as it'll be very
>>>>>>> easy
>>>>>>> to see them due to geography. As per neighbors, I've got my
>>>>>>> machines
>>>>>>> locked up pretty tight, I think they may be able to print to my
>>>>>>> printer
>>>>>>> is all for now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thoughts, theories, suggestions, etc?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> :wq!
>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Robert L. Harris | PGP Key ID: FC96D405
>>>>>>> DISCLAIMER:
>>>>>>> These are MY OPINIONS ALONE. I speak for no-one else.
>>>>>>> FYI:
>>>>>>> perl -e 'print
>>>>>>> $i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Until later: Geoffrey esoteric at 3times25.net
>>>>>
>>>>> The latest, most widespread virus? Microsoft end user agreement.
>>>>> Think about it...
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> :wq!
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Robert L. Harris | PGP Key ID: FC96D405
>>>> DISCLAIMER:
>>>> These are MY OPINIONS ALONE. I speak for no-one else.
>>>> FYI:
>>>> perl -e 'print
>>>> $i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);'
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> :wq!
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Robert L. Harris | PGP Key ID: FC96D405
>> DISCLAIMER:
>> These are MY OPINIONS ALONE. I speak for no-one else.
>> FYI:
>> perl -e 'print
>> $i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);'
>>
>>
>>
>
--
Until later: Geoffrey esoteric at 3times25.net
The latest, most widespread virus? Microsoft end user agreement.
Think about it...
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