[ale] kimset

[Geoffrey]

cfowler wrote:
> Then again you are talking about a mall. A mall that is on private
> property. Totally different story.
>   
> 
> Not radio signals entering my private property against my will.

So then I would suggest you can't make the comparison either, because 
just as it's impossible for the mall to 'invade' your private property, 
it's impossible for the radio waves to detect your property line and 
stop at that point.

Let's use some common sense.  The mall is put there for a purpose and 
there are rules that apply.   Like you don't walk in and walk out with 
something without paying.

When someone uses some wireless technology, and there is no intention to 
provide that service to you, then you don't belong there.  How do you 
know, well, I think that area is still a bit grey, but most of us can 
figure out when we are right or wrong.

> 
> So back to my last email.  If I walk onto private property and access
> that AP then I've done wrong?  Yes.  Even though accessing the AP may
> not be illegal, I can be prosecuted by trespassing.
> 
> If I access that ap from my private property not on their private
> property, have I done wrong?  Don;t know.  There seems to be no law that
> I know of that covers this one. So until a landmark case is heard or a
> law is developed, All of us here will be opinionated on this subject. 
> Otherwise do whatever the hell you want.  I'll be sure to lock down my
> stuff.

I agree that we all should lock down our goods.  So do you believe that 
any computer that is connected to the internet is 'on your private 
property?'  When you connect to the internet, how is that any different 
then connecting to those radio waves?  Same thing, different connectivity.
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 08:54, Geoffrey wrote:
> 
>>cfowler wrote:
>>
>>>Circumventing access controls is wrong.  But what if there are no access
>>>controls?
>>
>>So you walk up to the mall at 11:00 am on a Sunday, try the door, it's 
>>not locked!  You walk in, pick up something and walk out.  Have you 
>>broken the law?  Yes.
>>
>>So you walk up to the mall at 11:00 am on a Sunday, try the door, it's 
>>not locked!  You walk in,  walk around a bit, and a officer of the law 
>>spots you through the glass.  Have you broken the law?  Will you be 
>>prosecuted??
>>
>>I don't really know, although you could likely be trespassing.  The 
>>average person knows the hours of the mall and isn't open, but I suspect 
>>some are open at 11:00 am on Sunday.  What if it was 1:00 am?  I suspect 
>>you'd be hauled off and booked.
>>
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