[ale] kimset

[cfowler]

On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 09:21, James P. Kinney III wrote:
> Here's the key point to the wireless access argument:
> 
> If your neighbors AP signal is in your yard, by virtue that in is now in
> your property, you have the right to do with it as you want, it is
> yours.
> 
> But in order to do anything with it, you must send your signal into his
> yard and he has the same right to access your signal as you do his.

Good point.
> 
> I would argue that a salient issue here is the intent of the AP owner.
> Passively receiving the signal from the AP should be expected in the
> same manner that the neighbors can see you walking around in the yard.
> But to interact with the source of that signal should require permission
> as that interaction requires entering the private property containing
> the AP hardware.

Passively receiving the signal is good.  But doing anything without
requires transmission back.  
> 
> As for the passive reception of satellite tv signal and the subsequent
> us as the receiver sees fit, the satellite company is blasting their
> noise/signal into my property space. I own that portion of the signal
> that enters my space in as much as I can use in my personal space. If
> they don't want me to receive it without giving them some form of
> compensation for their intrusion, they need to find a way to selectively
> send the signal to only those locations that meet their compensation
> requirements.
> 

So you are with the Canadians. I have agreement that it is right to
descramble signal that is in your space.  It is up to the individual to
compensate or not.


> On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 09:04, cfowler wrote:
> > Then again you are talking about a mall. A mall that is on private
> > property. Totally different story.
> >   
> > 
> > Not radio signals entering my private property against my will.
> > 
> > So back to my last email.  If I walk onto private property and access
> > that AP then I've done wrong?  Yes.  Even though accessing the AP may
> > not be illegal, I can be prosecuted by trespassing.
> > 
> > If I access that ap from my private property not on their private
> > property, have I done wrong?  Don;t know.  There seems to be no law that
> > I know of that covers this one. So until a landmark case is heard or a
> > law is developed, All of us here will be opinionated on this subject. 
> > Otherwise do whatever the hell you want.  I'll be sure to lock down my
> > stuff.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 08:54, Geoffrey wrote:
> > > cfowler wrote:
> > > > Circumventing access controls is wrong.  But what if there are no access
> > > > controls?
> > > 
> > > So you walk up to the mall at 11:00 am on a Sunday, try the door, it's 
> > > not locked!  You walk in, pick up something and walk out.  Have you 
> > > broken the law?  Yes.
> > > 
> > > So you walk up to the mall at 11:00 am on a Sunday, try the door, it's 
> > > not locked!  You walk in,  walk around a bit, and a officer of the law 
> > > spots you through the glass.  Have you broken the law?  Will you be 
> > > prosecuted??
> > > 
> > > I don't really know, although you could likely be trespassing.  The 
> > > average person knows the hours of the mall and isn't open, but I suspect 
> > > some are open at 11:00 am on Sunday.  What if it was 1:00 am?  I suspect 
> > > you'd be hauled off and booked.
> > > 
> > > -- 
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> > > 
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> > > Think about it...
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